1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,170 [THEME MUSIC] 2 00:00:03,170 --> 00:00:19,060 3 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:22,080 NARRATOR: What vision drew this woman to a canyon of death 4 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:25,670 and led her to face a murder charge? 5 00:00:25,670 --> 00:00:29,330 I didn't want to be right but the drive 6 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:32,070 was so hard that I had to come. 7 00:00:32,070 --> 00:00:34,070 I had to have the answer. 8 00:00:34,070 --> 00:00:36,040 I had to know. 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,680 NARRATOR: Trapped under the ice of a frozen river, 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,680 did a lost child enter the mind of a psychic 100 miles away 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,166 and lead searchers to his body? 12 00:00:46,166 --> 00:00:47,650 When you're working with each other-- 13 00:00:47,650 --> 00:00:49,800 NARRATOR: In this California classroom, 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,890 police learn forensics-- psychic style. 15 00:00:52,890 --> 00:00:53,990 TEACHER: Everything you've ever-- 16 00:00:53,990 --> 00:00:55,523 NARRATOR: Will it make them better detectives? 17 00:00:55,523 --> 00:00:58,405 18 00:00:58,405 --> 00:01:00,770 Mysteries from the files of Arthur C. Clarke, 19 00:01:00,770 --> 00:01:05,685 author of "2001" and inventor of the communications satellite. 20 00:01:05,685 --> 00:01:08,960 Now in retreat in Sri Lanka, he ponders the riddles 21 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,876 of this and other worlds. 22 00:01:12,876 --> 00:01:15,371 [MUSIC PLAYING] 23 00:01:15,371 --> 00:01:44,320 24 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:46,940 In 1979, the Fresno police scoured 25 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:49,040 hundreds of square miles in their search 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,890 for an abducted child. 27 00:01:50,890 --> 00:01:53,750 They failed to find her and the desperate parents 28 00:01:53,750 --> 00:01:56,250 of eight-year-old Victoria De Santiago 29 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:59,730 asked a psychic detective for help. 30 00:01:59,730 --> 00:02:02,300 On the psychic's instructions, the Fresno police 31 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:04,360 were guided deep into the backwoods 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 to a lonely chicken farm. 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,400 At first, detectives Tim McFadden and Joel Popejoy 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,099 were skeptical. 35 00:02:10,099 --> 00:02:13,580 36 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:15,380 I never dealt with a psychic before and I 37 00:02:15,380 --> 00:02:17,350 thought I'd go up there and some lady in a gypsy 38 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:20,190 garb with a flashing neon sign in her window that said, 39 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:21,680 fortune teller, would answer the door, 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,280 and would rattle a few bones, and throw some incense, 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,480 and burn some stuff. 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,370 She wouldn't tell me a whole lot of anything 43 00:02:27,370 --> 00:02:30,180 but the mother wanted to do it, and it seemed like we 44 00:02:30,180 --> 00:02:31,829 should go along with her. [BIRDS CHIRPING] 45 00:02:31,829 --> 00:02:34,590 When I got up there I met Kay, and she was a very 46 00:02:34,590 --> 00:02:37,550 normal lady-- just typical. 47 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:39,610 And within about 10 minutes of talking to her 48 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:42,890 I realized that this lady did know something about this case 49 00:02:42,890 --> 00:02:46,600 because she was telling me things that she shouldn't know. 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,690 NARRATOR: Kathlyn Rhea counts hundreds of police 51 00:02:48,690 --> 00:02:51,100 forces as satisfied customers. 52 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:54,120 She told Sergeant McFadden that the girl was dead. 53 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,280 She had seen the tragedy enacted in a vision. 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,880 Now, the first thing I saw was her being taken 55 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,530 into a car with her little sister and the dog by two men, 56 00:03:03,530 --> 00:03:04,360 at the time. 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,510 I feel one man left before it was all over. 58 00:03:07,510 --> 00:03:10,160 And then I started seeing the direction. 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,610 I wanted to look to see where did they drive her, 60 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:16,010 and I felt they took her on a highway that was going north. 61 00:03:16,010 --> 00:03:19,520 And then I felt that then they went off of that highway 62 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,220 onto what I thought was more of a country road. 63 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:27,960 And I could see the chicken farm because I kept seeing feathers. 64 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,330 I kept saying it's like lots of feathers, 65 00:03:29,330 --> 00:03:33,650 like there's a chicken ranch or poultry ranch. 66 00:03:33,650 --> 00:03:35,520 SGT. TIM MCFADDEN: She told me that the body was 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,400 out east of town-- that I should look for a road in the country, 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,390 that I should look for something to do with chickens 69 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:46,730 or feathers, that there was a windmill nearby, 70 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:48,770 that the body was lying parallel to the road 71 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:52,160 near a plowed field, that there was-- it was laying 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,130 near the base of a tall tree. 73 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:57,660 NARRATOR: Victoria had been with her dog. 74 00:03:57,660 --> 00:04:01,330 Kathlyn Rhea was certain it was still alive. 75 00:04:01,330 --> 00:04:04,700 She said the dog would lead the police to the child's body. 76 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,680 [CROW CAWING] 77 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,530 The dog was still missing, and as I left the house after 78 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:12,110 a couple hours of interviewing her 79 00:04:12,110 --> 00:04:14,450 she stopped me and-- I'll never forget this-- she said-- 80 00:04:14,450 --> 00:04:16,870 Tim, you find the dog, and you'll 81 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:19,660 find the girl's body-- because I knew the dog was near it. 82 00:04:19,660 --> 00:04:23,110 They didn't drop the dog off somewhere else. 83 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:27,510 I received a radio call that there had been a dog found that 84 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:30,041 resembled the victim's dog. 85 00:04:30,041 --> 00:04:34,630 I, at that point, responded to this address. 86 00:04:34,630 --> 00:04:38,430 I made contact with the owner of the property 87 00:04:38,430 --> 00:04:40,440 and called the dog by name. 88 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,190 Once entering the residence, the dog came to me. 89 00:04:43,190 --> 00:04:47,470 At that point, I felt that this possibly 90 00:04:47,470 --> 00:04:50,400 could be the victim's dog. 91 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,130 So when I arrived here, and I called Detective McFadden, 92 00:04:54,130 --> 00:04:56,180 I asked him, what else do you have 93 00:04:56,180 --> 00:04:58,530 in order to isolate this area? 94 00:04:58,530 --> 00:05:01,340 Now, the time that I arrived here it 95 00:05:01,340 --> 00:05:05,700 was dark-- really no visual at all other than finding 96 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:07,880 the address and gaining entry. 97 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,940 And I asked Detective McFadden, what else was there? 98 00:05:11,940 --> 00:05:12,740 And he said, a windmill. 99 00:05:12,740 --> 00:05:14,006 And I thought, well, I've got you now. 100 00:05:14,006 --> 00:05:14,810 There's no windmill. 101 00:05:14,810 --> 00:05:17,210 I couldn't see any windmill when I pulled up. 102 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:19,150 And I asked the gentleman and he said, yes, there's 103 00:05:19,150 --> 00:05:20,080 one in front of the house. 104 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,680 You'd have seen it if it wasn't dark. 105 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:25,980 SGT. TIM MCFADDEN: So I told the people 106 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:27,160 there we need to go out there. 107 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,460 We all need to go out there and look. 108 00:05:29,460 --> 00:05:32,420 And we brought about 10 or 15 detectives out here 109 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:33,360 and started walking. 110 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,610 And with a matter of 10 minutes, a pair of them 111 00:05:35,610 --> 00:05:38,750 had found the body of Victoria De Santiago right down the road 112 00:05:38,750 --> 00:05:41,220 here probably a half a mile from where we're standing 113 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:43,040 at the base of a big tree. 114 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,530 And the things that she told me about the body 115 00:05:45,530 --> 00:05:46,730 were all there too. 116 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:48,030 She said, there'd be a windmill. 117 00:05:48,030 --> 00:05:50,410 It was outside where Detective Popejoy was. 118 00:05:50,410 --> 00:05:52,830 She told me, find the dog and you'd find Victoria. 119 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:54,780 Detective Popejoy had found the dog. 120 00:05:54,780 --> 00:05:56,670 She said there would be a freshly plowed field. 121 00:05:56,670 --> 00:05:58,220 She said there'd be an orchard. 122 00:05:58,220 --> 00:05:59,482 All these things were here. 123 00:05:59,482 --> 00:06:04,720 124 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,660 ARTHUR C. CLARKE: Sadly, this tragic case 125 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:08,490 has never been solved. 126 00:06:08,490 --> 00:06:11,550 Psychics often volunteer to help the police. 127 00:06:11,550 --> 00:06:14,030 From Jack the Ripper in Victorian England 128 00:06:14,030 --> 00:06:17,320 to the serial killers of the late 20th century, 129 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,410 countless people claiming paranormal powers 130 00:06:20,410 --> 00:06:24,850 have offered to crack unsolved murders or missing person cases 131 00:06:24,850 --> 00:06:27,300 that have hit the headlines. 132 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:29,310 Sometimes the psychics can do better 133 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:31,510 than ordinary investigators. 134 00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:33,970 For example, when the famous crime novelist, 135 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:37,420 Agatha Christie, disappeared in 1926 136 00:06:37,420 --> 00:06:39,450 everyone thought she was dead. 137 00:06:39,450 --> 00:06:43,540 Then, Sir Arthur Conan Dolye, creator of Sherlock Holmes, 138 00:06:43,540 --> 00:06:45,600 called in a psychic who announced 139 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,090 that Ms. Christie was alive and would turn 140 00:06:48,090 --> 00:06:50,770 up soon which she duly did. 141 00:06:50,770 --> 00:06:53,860 Each psychic crimebuster has a different technique. 142 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:58,940 In a recent case, one used an object to focus on. 143 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:01,610 NARRATOR: When five-year-old Tommy Kennedy went missing, 144 00:07:01,610 --> 00:07:05,690 his favorite sneakers were the key to his rescue. 145 00:07:05,690 --> 00:07:07,760 Teams of searches combed the forests 146 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,070 around Empire Lake all day. 147 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:12,546 By nightfall, they feared the worst. 148 00:07:12,546 --> 00:07:14,380 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 149 00:07:14,380 --> 00:07:15,640 Nice to have you with us. 150 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,450 How you doing? 151 00:07:16,450 --> 00:07:17,150 Good. 152 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:17,916 Good to have you back. 153 00:07:17,916 --> 00:07:18,947 Are you enjoying your summer? 154 00:07:18,947 --> 00:07:20,400 -Yes. -Good. 155 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,770 NARRATOR: Then a local priest made an extraordinary offer 156 00:07:22,770 --> 00:07:23,780 to help the searchers. 157 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:25,940 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 158 00:07:25,940 --> 00:07:28,090 He asked for something of Tommy's. 159 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:29,245 They gave him a sneaker. 160 00:07:29,245 --> 00:07:31,384 [ENGINE NOISE] 161 00:07:31,384 --> 00:07:32,800 162 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,510 I find that when I work, especially with missing persons 163 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:40,280 cases, that if I have an article that has been 164 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,330 in their possession, for some reason, 165 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:46,860 I can tune in more positively to them. 166 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:48,960 Well, after I had the sneaker in my possession, 167 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,550 I was able to tune in even more. 168 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:56,820 I really felt that I had to, sort of, 169 00:07:56,820 --> 00:08:01,690 project ahead and know what was going to be the path 170 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,630 that I would have to take. 171 00:08:03,630 --> 00:08:06,030 Well, I think there were a lot of skeptics. 172 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:09,040 There were some people that were sure that he was 173 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,210 a witch or a demon from hell. 174 00:08:11,210 --> 00:08:14,400 But there were also others of us that 175 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,190 knew Phil, and knew what he could do, 176 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:19,830 and certainly had some faith in him. 177 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:21,790 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 178 00:08:21,790 --> 00:08:24,164 NARRATOR: From the picture he saw in his mind's eye, 179 00:08:24,164 --> 00:08:25,980 Phil Jordan drew a map. 180 00:08:25,980 --> 00:08:27,360 He's kept it to this day. 181 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,287 182 00:08:30,287 --> 00:08:31,420 REV. PHIL JORDAN: And I said there 183 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:33,679 will be three overturned boats. 184 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,450 And directly across from those boats 185 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:37,230 there would be a building. 186 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:40,760 And we would have to go into a thicket and a wooded area 187 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,400 behind that building, and continue 188 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,580 on up until we found a clearing that had a pile of rocks. 189 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:48,870 There would be a brook or a stream. 190 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:51,890 And a little ways past that we would find Tommy 191 00:08:51,890 --> 00:08:54,606 Kennedy asleep under a tree. 192 00:08:54,606 --> 00:08:56,100 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 193 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,990 DICK CLARKE: So we got here and, of course, still had the map. 194 00:08:59,990 --> 00:09:04,010 And as we approached the area it was 195 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:07,930 just like it was a Kodak photo. 196 00:09:07,930 --> 00:09:09,720 And we set off in the direction that Phil had 197 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,820 indicated with full confidence. 198 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:15,820 When I went into the woods I would hold the sneaker 199 00:09:15,820 --> 00:09:18,820 and it seemed as though each time I would touch it, 200 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:22,010 it would tell me what direction to go, so to speak. 201 00:09:22,010 --> 00:09:25,020 The vibrations would draw me to the right, to the left, 202 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:27,760 go forward, continue on. 203 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,340 And so I think it just acted as an instrument 204 00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:36,210 to help to tune me into his location. 205 00:09:36,210 --> 00:09:39,720 NARRATOR: 17 hours of searching had failed to locate Tommy. 206 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,120 Phil found him alive and well in minutes. 207 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,000 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 208 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,680 REV. PHIL JORDAN: When we did find Tommy 209 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,860 it was an extremely emotional time for me. 210 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:53,350 It was very draining to work psychically that long, 211 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:55,320 and I was fatigued mentally. 212 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,040 But I think the spiritual experience of the whole thing-- 213 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,760 of being able to save a little boy's life 214 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,510 and knowing that he was OK-- I just knelt and wept. 215 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:08,830 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 216 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:10,230 ARTHUR C. CLARKE: Very often, however, 217 00:10:10,230 --> 00:10:12,820 psychic detectives provide completely 218 00:10:12,820 --> 00:10:14,960 misleading information. 219 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,470 When an American general was kidnapped in Italy 220 00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:21,000 in the 1980s, the Pentagon was deluged with offers 221 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,160 of paranormal assistance. 222 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,500 But they stopped listening after 500 policemen raided 223 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:29,380 a house described by one psychic and found 224 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:34,360 an innocent and very surprised family having breakfast. 225 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,800 Ironically, psychics who provide too accurate information 226 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,854 can get into trouble. 227 00:10:38,854 --> 00:10:44,950 228 00:10:44,950 --> 00:10:46,390 NARRATOR: A compelling vision drove 229 00:10:46,390 --> 00:10:49,510 Etta Louise Smith to a remote canyon high in the hills 230 00:10:49,510 --> 00:10:50,305 above Los Angeles. 231 00:10:50,305 --> 00:10:53,350 232 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:55,120 She'd heard on the news that police were 233 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,650 searching for a missing nurse. 234 00:10:59,650 --> 00:11:03,110 Detectives were carrying out house to house inquiries 235 00:11:03,110 --> 00:11:05,560 but Etta Louise says she knew exactly where 236 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,840 18-year-old Melanie Uribe was. 237 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,460 ETTA LOUISE SMITH: It was as if I heard a voice or someone tell 238 00:11:11,460 --> 00:11:13,780 me, she's not in the house. 239 00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:15,790 And as soon as I registered that thought-- 240 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:18,870 she's not in a house-- it was like I saw a picture. 241 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:21,270 It was as clear as a photograph in front of me. 242 00:11:21,270 --> 00:11:22,780 I could see where she was. 243 00:11:22,780 --> 00:11:25,580 The picture was of a curvy road in the canyon-- 244 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:28,260 a curve on the right, dirt path going out 245 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:31,890 to something white, and a hill behind, and a lot of shrubbery, 246 00:11:31,890 --> 00:11:33,072 a lot of bush. 247 00:11:33,072 --> 00:11:34,550 [CROW CAWING] 248 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:36,170 And I knew. 249 00:11:36,170 --> 00:11:37,730 I went into the police station. 250 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:41,510 I met a gentleman-- a detective, Mr. Lee Ryan. 251 00:11:41,510 --> 00:11:44,300 He was genuinely interested. 252 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:48,590 And I said, I know it's strange but I can't explain this. 253 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:50,540 He asked me if I knew the name of the street. 254 00:11:50,540 --> 00:11:52,460 And I said, no, I don't. 255 00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:54,100 I know how to get there. 256 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:54,820 I know where it is. 257 00:11:54,820 --> 00:11:56,100 I don't know the name. 258 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:57,630 Well, I went home. 259 00:11:57,630 --> 00:12:00,180 We all get in the van. 260 00:12:00,180 --> 00:12:03,040 We drove through this canyon and got all the way to the top, 261 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,050 and we had not spotted anything white and shrubbery. 262 00:12:07,050 --> 00:12:09,030 And all of a sudden, my daughter says, Mama. 263 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:10,429 Mama. Stop. 264 00:12:10,429 --> 00:12:11,190 Stop. 265 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:12,630 I said, what is it, honey? 266 00:12:12,630 --> 00:12:13,330 She said, Mama, stop. 267 00:12:13,330 --> 00:12:14,630 I saw something. 268 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:18,100 And I stopped and I said, look, honey, 269 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:19,150 what do you think you saw? 270 00:12:19,150 --> 00:12:22,280 She says, Ma, I see something white out there. 271 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,906 She said, Ma, it's a body. 272 00:12:24,906 --> 00:12:27,197 And I'm going, oh, no. No. 273 00:12:27,197 --> 00:12:28,750 I said, Tina. 274 00:12:28,750 --> 00:12:31,870 She said, Ma, it's a body. 275 00:12:31,870 --> 00:12:35,300 This person had on no clothing, and that's another thing that 276 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:38,490 made it very difficult to see and understand 277 00:12:38,490 --> 00:12:39,940 what I was looking at. 278 00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:42,330 But the only thing this person, or this object, 279 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:45,930 had was white nurses shoes. 280 00:12:45,930 --> 00:12:47,250 NARRATOR: Etta Smith told the police 281 00:12:47,250 --> 00:12:49,290 of her gruesome discovery. 282 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:52,605 Amazed by her story, they promptly arrested her. 283 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:56,750 Etta was charged with murder and jailed for five days. 284 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:58,760 She was only freed when three youths 285 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,512 were overheard discussing the crime and arrested. 286 00:13:03,512 --> 00:13:04,920 [CAR HORN] 287 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,590 Determined to clear her name, Etta Smith 288 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:10,340 hired lawyer James Blatt. 289 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:11,730 JAMES BLATT: I can't make a judgment 290 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:14,940 call on all the other psychic phenomena that occur. 291 00:13:14,940 --> 00:13:17,000 All I can say is the one that I experienced 292 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,300 here appeared to be valid. 293 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:20,800 She found the body. 294 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,820 There's been no evidence whatsoever that she knew 295 00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:25,100 anyone connected to the crime. 296 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:29,250 And she acted as a responsible, concerned citizen. 297 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:31,140 Based upon that, she was subsequently 298 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:32,820 arrested for the murder. 299 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,030 She spent five days in a jail cell. 300 00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:38,050 And I indicated to the jury that I 301 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:41,480 felt that that type-- that the arrest was unlawful, that she 302 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,810 should be remunerated for that arrest, 303 00:13:43,810 --> 00:13:47,270 and that having a vision and acting upon that vision 304 00:13:47,270 --> 00:13:48,570 is not a crime. 305 00:13:48,570 --> 00:13:50,490 The judge ruled in our favor and then 306 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:52,190 the jury ruled in our favor. 307 00:13:52,190 --> 00:13:54,740 NARRATOR: Thanks to James Blatt, Etta Smith was awarded 308 00:13:54,740 --> 00:13:57,900 $24,000 for wrongful arrest. 309 00:13:57,900 --> 00:13:59,940 ETTA LOUISE SMITH: It took me six years to clear my name. 310 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:02,880 311 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,090 I'm glad I did it. 312 00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:09,570 I felt that it could be done but if it had taken 20, 313 00:14:09,570 --> 00:14:11,910 I think I would still be fighting. 314 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:14,251 I wouldn't have quit until I cleared my name. 315 00:14:14,251 --> 00:14:17,940 316 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,160 NARRATOR: In the old gold rush town of Jackson, 317 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,965 the police are polishing new skills. 318 00:14:21,965 --> 00:14:26,120 319 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,890 Sheriff Ken Blakes called in Judy Belle 320 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:32,664 to lecture his men on psychometry. 321 00:14:32,664 --> 00:14:34,032 [THUD] 322 00:14:34,032 --> 00:14:35,590 JUDY BELLE: What we're going to do 323 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:36,940 is you're going to come over, you're 324 00:14:36,940 --> 00:14:39,690 going to pick up an object, take it back to your table, 325 00:14:39,690 --> 00:14:42,712 do psychometry on it, write about it-- 326 00:14:42,712 --> 00:14:44,620 [LAUGHTER] 327 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:46,580 NARRATOR: Psychometrists believe that objects 328 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:50,573 pick up vibrations, especially when crime's involved. 329 00:14:50,573 --> 00:14:55,010 330 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:58,800 Judy says detectives can learn to tune in to vital clues 331 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,230 embedded in the evidence. 332 00:15:01,230 --> 00:15:03,730 [MUSIC PLAYING] 333 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:06,740 334 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:09,620 If you took a room full of people, and took them out, 335 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:12,010 and taught them how to play basketball 336 00:15:12,010 --> 00:15:14,740 some of them would be really good and some of them wouldn't. 337 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:17,790 You take a group of people, whether they're police officers 338 00:15:17,790 --> 00:15:19,460 or not, and you start teaching them 339 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,920 psychic things-- some of them are going to be good. 340 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,780 Some of them aren't. 341 00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:24,380 Some of them are gonna be good in one area, 342 00:15:24,380 --> 00:15:25,630 some are gonna be good in another. 343 00:15:25,630 --> 00:15:28,210 Everybody's going to be able to do it 344 00:15:28,210 --> 00:15:29,870 but whether or not they can do it well 345 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:31,670 depends upon how much natural ability 346 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:33,690 they've got to start with. 347 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:34,400 It's interesting. 348 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,420 I get a feeling of very softness about it. 349 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:39,600 It's not a-- even though it's a gun, 350 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,200 I don't feel any harshness out of it. 351 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,170 It's a real soft feeling-- almost a feminine feeling. 352 00:15:46,170 --> 00:15:47,850 There's no doubt in my mind that I'm 353 00:15:47,850 --> 00:15:51,760 getting some type of feeling and that I'm learning from this. 354 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,520 The first weapon I picked up was this one and it 355 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,160 just-- I got shakes and I'd have sworn when I pick it 356 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,060 up that it'd killed somebody. 357 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:06,200 I'm not saying that we will be able to solve 358 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,600 every crime because we have now gone 359 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,700 through Judy Belle's course. 360 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:11,790 But I think that some of the techniques that we've learned 361 00:16:11,790 --> 00:16:15,380 will allow them to be better investigators, to be better 362 00:16:15,380 --> 00:16:20,380 interviewers, and I think that we'll be better police 363 00:16:20,380 --> 00:16:21,763 officers in the long run. 364 00:16:21,763 --> 00:16:24,128 [MUSIC PLAYING] 365 00:16:24,128 --> 00:16:25,550 366 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:27,760 NARRATOR: At the University of Hertfordshire, 367 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,190 British researchers are mounting an experiment 368 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:34,230 to put extra sensory detection to the test. 369 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:37,900 They've gathered grisly relics from the police black museum 370 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:40,630 and have invited psychics to describe the crimes 371 00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:43,420 in which they were used. 372 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:45,090 Two observers have been called in 373 00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:46,990 to help psychologist Doctor Richard 374 00:16:46,990 --> 00:16:48,692 Wiseman assess the results. 375 00:16:48,692 --> 00:16:50,660 [CHATTER] 376 00:16:50,660 --> 00:16:53,610 They're Donald West, retired professor of criminology 377 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:56,310 at Cambridge University, and journalist 378 00:16:56,310 --> 00:17:00,110 Roy Stemman of "Psychic News." 379 00:17:00,110 --> 00:17:03,146 They'll watch from behind a two-way mirror. 380 00:17:03,146 --> 00:17:05,839 SPEAKER 1: --be easier but it's just a question when they talk. 381 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:09,130 The test today is looking at people who claim to be psychic. 382 00:17:09,130 --> 00:17:11,140 They claim to be able to handle objects that 383 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:12,930 are connected with a crime and tell us, 384 00:17:12,930 --> 00:17:15,220 psychically, about that crime. 385 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:17,460 And today what we're doing is comparing how well they 386 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:20,030 do on the test versus a group of people 387 00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:21,810 that don't claim the ability. 388 00:17:21,810 --> 00:17:24,140 And today, that's the students. 389 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:26,109 NARRATOR: Exhibit A is a shoe worn 390 00:17:26,109 --> 00:17:28,880 by a woman murdered in 1899. 391 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,940 Her body lay in a secret grave for four years. 392 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:36,240 Her killer was in the army and was hanged in 1901. 393 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,310 Exhibit B is a bullet which killed 394 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:40,730 a policeman in the 1920s. 395 00:17:40,730 --> 00:17:44,470 It was one of three fired into his head by two attackers. 396 00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:45,600 They too were hanged. 397 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,480 398 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,840 A 70-year-old woman wore exhibit C. 399 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,710 The scarf was used to strangle her during a burglary. 400 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:57,198 The killer was a milkman. 401 00:17:57,198 --> 00:18:00,790 402 00:18:00,790 --> 00:18:02,830 First on are the psychics. 403 00:18:02,830 --> 00:18:04,780 Chris Robinson's technique is to dream 404 00:18:04,780 --> 00:18:07,031 about the objects in advance. 405 00:18:07,031 --> 00:18:10,930 CHRIS ROBINSON: The dreams that I had to do with item A 406 00:18:10,930 --> 00:18:15,060 were to do with a woman-- to do with a woman who was murdered, 407 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:20,330 and I had an area around Topham Court Road in London. 408 00:18:20,330 --> 00:18:22,980 I thought she had been shot. 409 00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:24,960 I was expecting to see a gun. 410 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,960 411 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:35,970 Going to the object B-- very strange because when I've been 412 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:42,800 thinking about tuning into the objects with the item B, 413 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,410 I found a brick wall. 414 00:18:44,410 --> 00:18:50,220 I found something there which was undisclosed-- of something 415 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,730 that's been not revealed. 416 00:18:53,730 --> 00:18:55,500 All I got was a brick wall. 417 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:57,420 Whether this is for not me to see 418 00:18:57,420 --> 00:19:01,930 or whether it is something still undisclosed but something 419 00:19:01,930 --> 00:19:05,230 that has not been unrevealed, and I've 420 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:06,611 just heard a loud bang. 421 00:19:06,611 --> 00:19:09,980 422 00:19:09,980 --> 00:19:15,230 Yeah, a feeling of helplessness and abuse and extreme rage. 423 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:20,990 So if you very much like person that had that sort of object, 424 00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:24,250 actually, sort of, suffered a very violent death. 425 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:27,600 Something to do with the neck area. 426 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,160 But it was this sort of feeling if you 427 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,610 like the feeling of helplessness and blind panic, 428 00:19:31,610 --> 00:19:32,860 rage, anger, fear. 429 00:19:32,860 --> 00:19:35,530 430 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:37,055 NARRATOR: Then it's the turn of the students. 431 00:19:37,055 --> 00:19:39,850 432 00:19:39,850 --> 00:19:43,800 A robbery of some sort. 433 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,980 Seems worn from earth where it had been left 434 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:52,220 for quite a time in undergrowth of something 435 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:55,060 in some sort of forest area. 436 00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:58,340 I think this is going to be worn by an old woman who's 437 00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:00,438 no doubt dead. 438 00:20:00,438 --> 00:20:01,790 So what we have-- 439 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:03,479 I expected a magazine. [LAUGHTER] 440 00:20:03,479 --> 00:20:04,340 Is it a bullet? 441 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:05,260 Um. 442 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:06,030 Don't know. 443 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:08,890 NARRATOR: After the oral test, the written paper. 444 00:20:08,890 --> 00:20:11,910 In detailed questionnaires, psychics and students 445 00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:15,390 must now match the facts of each crime to the objects. 446 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:20,140 So we've got-- the shoe there. 447 00:20:20,140 --> 00:20:21,843 There's the 18 statements and what 448 00:20:21,843 --> 00:20:25,190 we want to do is just read them and take the six 449 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:27,060 that you think go with-- 450 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:30,360 The scarf-- we-- all three of us had a sense of suffocation 451 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,080 or being tied up. 452 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,880 There was death there. 453 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,790 The second one-- I felt we all had difficulties with that. 454 00:20:36,790 --> 00:20:38,550 The last thing I heard was the bang. 455 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:41,500 I just couldn't really link with the bullet. 456 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:43,940 The first one was being underground. 457 00:20:43,940 --> 00:20:44,980 I don't think I did very well. 458 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:47,900 459 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:49,870 I didn't have much time to think about it, 460 00:20:49,870 --> 00:20:53,030 and I felt a bit under pressure, and just said the first thing 461 00:20:53,030 --> 00:20:54,660 that come to my head. 462 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:56,660 In terms of success, I did think 463 00:20:56,660 --> 00:20:59,460 that the shoe and the scarf did belong to a woman, 464 00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:02,410 and an elderly woman at that. 465 00:21:02,410 --> 00:21:06,630 But in terms of overall success, I wouldn't say I did very well. 466 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:08,690 I don't think I was very successful at all 467 00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:10,550 besides the things-- it's physical attributes 468 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:13,770 and that's obviously an old slug bullet or whatever. 469 00:21:13,770 --> 00:21:16,050 I mean, a woman's going to be wearing that shoe 470 00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:17,300 and perhaps that sort of scarf. 471 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:19,770 I mean, that's just something physically obvious 472 00:21:19,770 --> 00:21:22,400 but I can't really look into it and say, 473 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,650 well, that's an incident surrounding that. 474 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:25,474 It's just-- 475 00:21:25,474 --> 00:21:27,240 SPEAKER 2: --been in the first World War so I can't-- 476 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,110 NARRATOR: As it turned out, the students 477 00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:31,920 did better than they thought. 478 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,030 Well, both the psychics and the students 479 00:21:34,030 --> 00:21:36,280 could have scored a maximum of 54. 480 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,350 In fact, the psychics scored 19, and the students scored 22. 481 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:43,060 ARTHUR C. CLARKE: These cases are impressive 482 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:45,030 but far from typical. 483 00:21:45,030 --> 00:21:47,060 The police will tell you that not only do 484 00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:50,810 the psychics failures far outnumber their successes 485 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:53,310 but they often hamper detection. 486 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:55,750 Yet, here's one case which impresses 487 00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:57,572 even this hardened skeptic. 488 00:21:57,572 --> 00:22:03,390 489 00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:06,360 NARRATOR: In Watseka, Illinois, Vic Cahoe has never 490 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,650 forgotten Greta Alexander. 491 00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:11,480 When 11-year-old Larry Dean Carter was washed away 492 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,420 in the icy Iroquois River in 1980, 493 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:18,830 Greta led Cahoe to his body by long distance phone. 494 00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:21,020 The minute he said to me, I have 495 00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:26,160 a missing child, 11-year-old, that we think is drowned. 496 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,260 Immediately, you become that person. 497 00:22:30,260 --> 00:22:33,400 You rise to the occasion. 498 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,300 And so from that moment on, I was with Larry Dean. 499 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,730 You feel what he felt. You feel like you're having 500 00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:43,730 such a good time and laughing. 501 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:45,510 And the next thing you know you step back, 502 00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:47,470 and you're going under the water. 503 00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:50,120 And the next thing you know is you're turning and rolling 504 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,200 and turning and rolling. 505 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,750 And the current is so strong and you can't get out because it's 506 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:56,610 like the roof over your head-- you can't get out, 507 00:22:56,610 --> 00:22:58,680 you can't get out-- which was the ice. 508 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,270 Greta was about 130 miles from where 509 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:04,170 we were at-- at the Watseka. 510 00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:08,260 And so she begin to describe the landscape 511 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:09,370 and things that was up there. 512 00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:10,890 And I said, well, now wait just a minute. 513 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:13,900 I need to get on the scene so I can pass this message on, 514 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:15,630 and we'll figure out some way to communicate 515 00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:17,950 with you when I get there. 516 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:22,070 They had a mobile phone and they were at the scene of where 517 00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:25,080 he had gone under the water. 518 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,460 I then described to them the muddy bank, 519 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:33,800 and the fact that there was a rail tie, 520 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,110 and the area which they were in. 521 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:41,050 And they saw everything as they were at the phone. 522 00:23:41,050 --> 00:23:42,910 So I knew then that I was right. 523 00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:45,510 And once I get that feeling I'm right, 524 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:47,690 then I can really go with it. 525 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:53,590 And then you hear-- and you hear the boats, and the motors, 526 00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:56,100 and you hear them cutting the ice. 527 00:23:56,100 --> 00:24:00,180 And you hear those things just as Larry Dean would have heard, 528 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:02,620 and so you see pictures. 529 00:24:02,620 --> 00:24:05,460 And it's like watching television. 530 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:08,960 And you hear it just as though you would 531 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,820 hear it in your mind's eye. 532 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:14,840 Soon after I had established communication with her, 533 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,280 she told me to face the water and so I did face the water. 534 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,340 Now she said, turn to your right, 535 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:21,180 and I turned to my right. 536 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:23,520 She says, now walk straight ahead. 537 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,740 Well, I said, I can't walk. 538 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:26,010 I've not got a long strength. 539 00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:28,160 She says, have someone walk for you. 540 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,930 So I got this fire chief from Decatur 541 00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:32,170 and he was to walk in straight ahead, 542 00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:35,630 and she told me when he steps across 543 00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:38,370 or falls over a little pile of brush, 544 00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:42,530 stop him and have him face the water. 545 00:24:42,530 --> 00:24:45,090 And so when he stepped over-- and sure enough 546 00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:46,780 he came to this thing and stepped over it. 547 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:49,200 And I hollered, stop, now face the water. 548 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,230 And she said, you're looking right at me-- see my hand. 549 00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:57,410 And they actually saw the boys hand, and they saw shadows, 550 00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:59,274 and this is how we located him. 551 00:24:59,274 --> 00:25:02,810 They called us to get the boy's body. 552 00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:05,860 After they found Larry Dean. 553 00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:07,460 I felt at peace. 554 00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:12,180 I felt that a job was well done and that the relief 555 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:14,920 of the parents of having their son being able 556 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,560 to be brought home. 557 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,250 The not knowing-- the horrendous pain 558 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:24,560 that they're going through-- not that they 559 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,470 wouldn't suffer again from the loss 560 00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:29,890 but that it had been completed. 561 00:25:29,890 --> 00:25:32,640 [MUSIC PLAYING] 562 00:25:32,640 --> 00:26:04,400