1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:06,960 The practice of science has shaped the modern era. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:12,680 But how are discoveries made and how does science progress? 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Three British scientists, world leaders in their fields, 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,040 have changed our understanding of our universe, our planet and ourselves. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,800 A physicist whose mysterious radio signals from space rewrote astronomy. 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,920 She actually recognised that there was something happening. 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,480 I suspect that perhaps only 1 in 100 people would have spotted it. 8 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:42,480 A chemist whose radical theory about our planet divides the scientific world. 9 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:48,240 He's one of the greatest thinkers of the current age and destined to go down in history. 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:54,080 And a biologist who discovered the secret of life in a sea urchin. 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,920 Your fundamental discoveries have profoundly increased 12 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,320 our understanding of how the cell cycle is controlled. 13 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,960 Their stories tell us about the nature of scientific enquiry in the modern world, 14 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,600 about how scientific breakthroughs are made 15 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,080 and about the workings of the scientific brain. 16 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,520 I never dreamt, you see, when I started out doing science, 17 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:43,760 that I'd be involved in a highly controversial theory. You don't think that at all. 18 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,280 My initial ambition always was to work in a lab and do hands-on science, 19 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:55,520 just like an artist wants to be with his brushes and paints and canvas and things, and things that come along. 20 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,720 He doesn't expect to produce a masterpiece, does he? 21 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,600 Gaia. G-A-I-A. 22 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,040 'This is a man who thinks the world is coming to an end.' 23 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:11,200 James Lovelock is responsible for the Gaia theory. Planet earth is a self-regulating system. 24 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:17,920 '..which seeks to explain why the earth behaves as it does was a landmark in modern science.' 25 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:23,960 It's going to play absolute mayhem with our civilisation in the next 10 or 100 years. 26 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,400 He may be right and he's had a track record of being right in the past, 27 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,680 so he may be right in this case too. I hope he isn't. 28 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,160 James Lovelock's scientific masterpiece, his Gaia hypothesis, 29 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,720 stunned the world and divided the scientific community. 30 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,080 It proposed that the earth is able to regulate its own atmosphere, 31 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,960 and that to interfere with that process would lead to catastrophe. 32 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,840 It is important, it's extraordinary, it's incredibly timely. 33 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,040 It can be compared with the revelations that we're not at the centre of the universe. 34 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:06,400 I would rank the Gaia theory as being in the same category 35 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,680 of scientific advance as Darwin's theory of natural selection. 36 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,640 For many, Gaia theory was a milestone in our understanding of the planet, 37 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:21,280 a way of looking at the world so different that it challenged 38 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,760 not only scientific orthodoxy but also the way in which science is practised, 39 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,320 a challenge launched not from a school of thought or institution 40 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,240 but from one extraordinary individual. 41 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,520 I think James has two related qualities 42 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,520 which go some way towards explaining 43 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,920 his evolution as one of the most important scientific thinkers 44 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,760 of the last century. 45 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,120 And the two qualities are individualism 46 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,320 and directness of mind. 47 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:03,160 Lovelock can think in straight lines, but he can also think round corners. 48 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,960 James's capacity to think outside the box is exactly because he doesn't recognise the box. 49 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,120 For some, James Lovelock is a maverick. 50 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Certainly he is an outsider. 51 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,520 Lovelock himself insists that minds like his can only 52 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,920 work outside the confines of the mainstream scientific establishment. 53 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,040 And so, for 40 highly successful years, he's been pursuing science on his own, 54 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,240 having abandoned the labs of NASA and British academia for his garden shed. 55 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,000 'Snuggled deep in rural Wiltshire is a thatched 16th-century cottage 56 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,640 'belonging to Professor James Lovelock. 57 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,720 'Today, the lone wolf scientist is considered a somewhat freakish rarity 58 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,560 'and, indeed, for more than 20 years, Professor Lovelock conformed, 59 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,760 'working in large research institutes here and in the USA. 60 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,960 'But a couple of years ago, he kicked over the traces and became independent.' 61 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,520 If you work in a large institution or a university, 62 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,160 it's quite difficult to do more than about 20 minutes work a day, 63 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,400 what with interruptions and telephone calls and so on. 64 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,360 And, for another thing, I think scientists are a bit like artists, 65 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,920 and who in their right mind would think of cooping up a bunch 66 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,160 of creative artists in an institute or a university? 67 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,440 It was the way of life I wanted to follow, was being an independent spirit working on my own. 68 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,600 Perhaps I'm much more greedy than the others. I want the whole damn show. 69 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,800 I just want to be a scientist. 70 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Totally blue sky, 71 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,880 not done for money. 72 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,040 Done for curiosity and interest. 73 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,240 Lovelock believes it's his unfettered approach that's led 74 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,520 to a string of remarkable scientific inventions and discoveries. 75 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,360 Oh, we're just off to look in the lab... 76 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,400 if you can call it a lab. 77 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,560 It's where I do my... 78 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,800 keep my toys and do my experiments. 79 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,800 Don't be frightened of the notices on the door. 80 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:38,040 They're more to pacify Health and Safety than representing any serious dangers. 81 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,040 I've made nearly all the instruments I use. 82 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,000 If you build something and make it yourself, you have 83 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:59,440 an automatic understanding of how it works and what it is that you would never get by mere reading about it. 84 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:05,960 If your hands are not involved in your scientific work as well as your brain, it's not as good. 85 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,200 I remember that when I went into his house, it was like 86 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,480 as if he lived slightly at an angle to the rest of the world. 87 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:24,560 He didn't see things in the same way as anybody else that I'd met. 88 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,840 It was very disorientating. It made me feel slightly giddy, actually. 89 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,080 Yeah. 90 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:40,080 It's an accumulation of 33 years of bits and pieces. 91 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:46,320 You wouldn't see much of this sort of equipment in any modern lab, anywhere, nowadays. 92 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,200 Here is an electron capture detector. 93 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,120 This invention was come upon serendipitously. 94 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,560 That's to say, as a sideline. 95 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,760 I set out to find one thing and found something better. 96 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,440 And this is the secret of all good inventions. 97 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Some have said the electron capture detector did more than anything to start the green movement going. 98 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,520 I won't go into the full details of the reaction, but the point of this thing is it's more sensitive 99 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,960 than any other simple chemical analytical detector that's ever been invented. 100 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:36,320 This device is quite exceptionally sensitive, more so even than an animal's nose. 101 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:42,360 And that's quite remarkable, for it's not often that one can do better than nature. 102 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:49,720 Lovelock's invention thrust him into the public arena, because it showed disturbing 103 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:56,920 evidence of man's impact on what an embryonic green movement was starting to call "the environment". 104 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,880 'The pesticide problem is an application in which this invention proved its worth. 105 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,680 'We're now alerted to the dangers of an uncontrolled use of pesticides 106 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:09,400 'and the build-up of man-made chemicals in the tissues of animals and man. 107 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,520 'Traces of DDT have even been found in the fat of penguins, 108 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:19,760 'and it took Professor Lovelock's electron absorption detector to spot the minute quantities involved.' 109 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,640 His electron capture detector, that's really what made him famous. 110 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,480 You know, that in itself would have been an extraordinary career for one person. 111 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,640 You know, proud and destined to go down in history. 112 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,040 But Jim's done so many other things as well. 113 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,600 My earliest encounter quite definitely with science was at Christmas. 114 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,760 I think...I've forgotten which year, it was '23 or '24. 115 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:59,200 My father, as a present, gave me a box full of tricks, as he called it. 116 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,840 And all there was in the box were lots of wires and batteries and bells 117 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,640 and lights and buzzers and things. 118 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:19,600 He said, "There, join that up, and you'll have some fun with it." And I was fascinated with it. 119 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,960 Spent a lot of time finding out how the things worked. 120 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,600 And it was the best Christmas present I think I've ever had. 121 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,560 And then I got puzzled. I couldn't understand why it was you need two wires to send 122 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:46,320 electricity along, whereas if it was gas or water or something, you just need a single pipe. 123 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,480 And I started asking around, first my father and then my grandmother. 124 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,800 Nobody knew. Not even the postman! 125 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,880 So I realised I'd have to do it myself and find out. 126 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:04,520 And that's what I think set me on... a life as a scientist. 127 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,680 James Lovelock's father not only set him on the road to becoming a scientist, 128 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:16,800 he also unwittingly paved the way for his next, and perhaps one of his most important, discoveries - 129 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,400 the build-up of CFC gases in the atmosphere. 130 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:32,120 I think I learnt my ecology, if you like, from my father, because we used to go for walks at the weekend. 131 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,480 He would take me through the countryside and show me all the tracks of animals. 132 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,080 'It was a feeling for, and an understanding of, the countryside, 133 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,320 'which has remained with me ever since.' 134 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,400 What's the connection between country walks and looking for CFCs? 135 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,880 You see, the story goes like this. 136 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:09,880 I remember from my walks on these hills with my father how often one could see the Sussex Downs. 137 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,760 The air was always, in those days, quite clear. 138 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,760 Now, very strangely, many years later, one of the things that struck me immediately was how different 139 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:25,760 it was, in that every often during the summertime, there was a dense haze. 140 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,040 Where on earth does it come from? That was the question I asked. 141 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,000 At first, there didn't seem to be any answer, and then it began slowly to dawn on me, 142 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,920 it probably came from the nearest highly populated area. 143 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:50,160 And I could prove that, if it was sort of human haze and not some kind of natural 144 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,880 phenomenon that had happened since I was young, 145 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:02,800 by analysing the atmosphere to see if it had some unequivocally human industrial compound in it. 146 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,280 And I thought a bit, and the obvious and only one to choose 147 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:13,800 were the fluorocarbons, the CFCs, because with their spray cans and leaking refrigerators, 148 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,880 the only thing on earth that releases CFCs into the atmosphere is people. 149 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,120 It's a people marker. 150 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,600 So all I had to do was to see if the presence of haze 151 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,400 correlated with the presence of an increase in the amount of CFCs. 152 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,160 I suppose it was very unusual. 153 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,880 I mean, most scientists have a laboratory with lots of staff. 154 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,920 He had my mother, my Auntie Betty, myself and my brother and sisters. 155 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,240 You know, we'd all be helping. 156 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,000 They were only too happy to join the routine of daily measurements, 157 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,880 and Christine did an awful lot of the haze measurements. 158 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,760 We were just helping as if, 159 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,920 I suppose, you might help 160 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,320 on a farm or something. 161 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:05,200 Sure enough, it showed a marked correlation between the haze and the presence of CFCs. 162 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:13,440 At that time, I didn't realise I was the only person in the world that was measuring the CFCs. 163 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,520 Nobody took the slightest notice. 164 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,960 They weren't in the least interested, either in the presence of CFCs in the atmosphere or in haze. 165 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,240 But the puzzling thing I found was that there were still 166 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,200 CFCs in the air even when the air was sparklingly clear. 167 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:41,480 And I thought then, is it building up in the whole atmosphere of the world without any kind of losses? 168 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,360 And I was curious about this. 169 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,640 The lone scientist working from home with part-time assistance from his family 170 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:56,000 was on the verge of making perhaps the most significant scientific discovery of the 20th century. 171 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,280 His mind is able to make intuitive leaps or connections between things that the rest of us 172 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,480 would always keep separate in our heads, and it's those connections 173 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,120 that he's been able to see 174 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,160 that have been the most remarkable scientific advances that he's gifted us. 175 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:19,280 It suddenly dawned on me, oh, what a marvellous excuse to go on a ship voyage 176 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,720 from right the way down to Antarctica 177 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,440 to find out were there CFCs in the whole world atmosphere or not? 178 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,080 You followed your nose. And that's what makes your science real. 179 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,520 That's what makes you want to go on doing it. 180 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960 And it had a wonderful captain. 181 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,200 We'd often have good discussions in the ship's dining room after dinner at night. 182 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,760 He'd taken the precaution to bring along some very good wine. 183 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,720 It was just a very pleasant atmosphere. 184 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,320 And all I had to do was to go out several times a day 185 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,760 with a hypodermic syringe and fill it with air 186 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,440 and then take it back to the lab and inject it into the gas chromatograph. 187 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Quite remarkably, I found that the fluorocarbons were in the atmosphere of the whole planet. 188 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:25,640 So they were just adding up in the atmosphere without going anywhere. 189 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,720 I did what scientists usually do - 190 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,040 I wrote it up in the form of a paper, which was published in Nature. 191 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,960 I didn't realise I was letting loose the CFC ozone business 192 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,760 and shutting down a billion-dollar industry in the course of it. 193 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,400 KLAXON 194 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,800 You see, the scientists in California, Mario Molina and Sherwood Rowland, 195 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,240 developed the idea that the CFCs going into the stratosphere 196 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:05,160 would be a source of chlorine, and this would destroy a significant amount of the ozone layer. 197 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,680 And, of course, that hit the fan in a big way. 198 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,400 Within the past hour, more than 90 countries have agreed on a plan 199 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,640 to try to save the earth's ozone layer. 200 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,760 The meeting has been taking place in London. 201 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:22,480 The agreement commits the countries to faze out chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, within 10 years. 202 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:28,320 It was the connection between the build-up of CFCs and the hole in the ozone layer 203 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:35,600 that shifted the environmental movement centre stage and earned a Nobel prize for Molina and Rowland. 204 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:41,240 He deserved and didn't get a part in a Nobel prize, but then... 205 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,800 well, the fitting tribute will be if somehow his ideas 206 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,920 actually help us find a long-term sustainable future on the planet. 207 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:57,080 That's worth a lot more than the recognition of the establishment. 208 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,760 I grew curious about the nature of things 209 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:13,160 and fell in love with science, oh, at least 80, probably 82 years ago. 210 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:21,320 My mother was an avid reader and she always went to the Brixton Library, 211 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,680 because in those days people didn't buy books, certainly unless they were very rich. 212 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,440 And you went to the public libraries, and they were everywhere. 213 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:38,120 The Brixton one was exceedingly good, and she would go and get her political books on feminism, 214 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:42,680 cos that was the kind of thing that turned her on, or on socialism - 215 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,160 it didn't matter, one or the other - 216 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:53,120 and I went at first to get science fiction and came back with HG Wells's wonderful books. 217 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:57,080 I think they really filled in my mind a lot. 218 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,480 I mean, the story of The Time Machine. I mean, it was so different. 219 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,240 I mean, that was the start of real science fiction. 220 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,240 But that wasn't enough for me. After a while, I wanted the hard stuff. 221 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:15,040 And they kept the hard stuff in the basement, and that was really a cornucopia, a cave of wonders. 222 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,040 The kind of stuff you pick up when the mind is developing, 223 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,120 before puberty, stays there for good. 224 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,720 And you do feel intensely when you're a kid of that age. 225 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,880 Everything is full of... life's full of feeling. 226 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,080 I was mining magic down at the basement of Brixton Library 227 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:06,440 and I went on doing it all the time, and it solidified. 228 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,200 I really struck a few mother-loads down there. 229 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:24,240 I don't think I understood much of them, but your mind is a kind of sponge. 230 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,440 And it stays there in your machine language memory 231 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,080 for the rest of your life, so that from then onwards my mind had a complete understanding 232 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,080 of the position of all the chemicals and their properties and things, 233 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,320 although I didn't even know what the properties were. 234 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,320 But later on, when I came to be a professional chemist, 235 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,040 then all of that knowledge was there 236 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,320 instantly accessible, whenever I needed it. 237 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,520 Why did I choose chemistry as my subject in science? 238 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,800 After all, if you go back to that box of tricks my father gave me, bits of wire and stuff, that's physics. 239 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,080 That's not chemistry. Why didn't I go into physics? 240 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,640 It so happens that I'm dyslexic, and...not seriously. 241 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,800 I can't tell the difference between left and right. 242 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,600 It's one of the peculiarities. 243 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,520 It also meant that in mathematics I can never tell which side of an equation I'm on, 244 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,000 and in finding the answer, the solution, this is quite a handicap. 245 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,600 You get there in the end by just testing, trying both ways and seeing which one is right. 246 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,320 But this wastes an awful lot of time, and when it comes to examinations, if you're slow, you don't pass. 247 00:21:53,640 --> 00:22:00,880 I was fascinated by physics and maths, much more than chemistry, but I realised practically that 248 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:07,960 because of the slowness in handling mathematics, I couldn't satisfy the examiners on physical things. 249 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:15,320 The best way of thinking of it was that I'd fallen in love with science at some age 250 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:22,240 and I just wanted it around me as you want a loved one around nearby and always available. 251 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:28,440 Though he had studied chemistry, Lovelock always saw science as a single entity. 252 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,480 And when war came, the fledging polymath was unexpectedly exposed 253 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,640 to an even greater array of scientific disciplines. 254 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,720 Out of the blue came a letter from the National Institute for Medical Research 255 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,040 saying, would I be interested in a job with them? 256 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,080 And the first thing that Sir Henry Dale said to me, he said, "My boy," 257 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,920 he said, "don't expect to do any science when you come here." 258 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,360 He said, "We're at war now. 259 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,640 "And it's going to be nothing but wartime problems, ad hoc problems, 260 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,880 "that need an answer - yesterday, preferably." 261 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:19,240 One of the duties of everyone working at the National Institute for Medical Research, that included 262 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:25,120 everyone, quite literally, was to fire watch, to patrol on the roof of the Institute one night a week. 263 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Now, in the course of this, I met all of the senior scientists in the Institute, 264 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,160 and it was quite fascinating, 265 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,400 because when an incident occurred, like a V1 missile coming close by... 266 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:52,160 On one occasion, it was coming on a course which looked as if it was coming towards us. 267 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,320 It came so close by that we could see the rivets. 268 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,720 We began to get a little bit excited, to say the least, and then it cut out. 269 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:16,160 In their fear, the senior scientist that I happened to be with would open his mind 270 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,240 and do a brain dump and see me as the young person near him, 271 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,960 he'd got to pass on all the accumulated wisdom of a lifetime, and you learnt more 272 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,920 in those little incidents than you ever would, and many of them would never normally speak to you. 273 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:38,080 They were sort of senior old buffers that guarded their privacy an awful lot. 274 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,120 Boy, did they open up when the bombs came near! 275 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,280 I learnt from these encounters an amazingly widespread vision 276 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,400 of all the branches of science that were included in that Institute - 277 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,640 physics, chemistry, bacteriology, virology - you name it, all of them. 278 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,280 And it all helped to build up in my mind the broad picture 279 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,600 of science as one single subject. 280 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,440 I've worked with him, on and off, for some years now, and I think the lasting impression 281 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,640 that I'll carry with me for ever is his encyclopaedic knowledge 282 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,520 of maths, physics and chemistry... and biology and medicine. 283 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,200 And his personal experience that he draws on in everything he thinks about and does. 284 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,960 Nowadays, science specialises and specialises. 285 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,000 You can get very good about the micro-micro-organisms that attack 286 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,520 a certain form of bacterium and their genome and all the rest of it. 287 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,800 But it doesn't take you very far about understanding the world. 288 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,320 It's this holistic way of thinking and lack of adherence to a single scientific discipline 289 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,920 that marks out Lovelock's unique approach to science, an approach 290 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:04,000 that he believes was fundamental in developing Gaia theory. 291 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840 You see, nearly all scientists nowadays are slaves. 292 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,120 They're not free men and women. 293 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:16,240 They have to work in institutes or universities or government... 294 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,800 places or industry 295 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,960 and they have to work on a specific problem. 296 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,320 There are very few of them who are free to think 297 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,560 outside the box, so to speak. 298 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,560 So you come along with the theory like Gaia, and it's so far beyond 299 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,520 their normal experience, they're not going to be able to react to it. 300 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,320 'Three, two, one, zero.' 301 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,760 'This is the first shot of earth, live on television.' 302 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,440 The thing that kicked Gaia off, mainly, was of course NASA. 303 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,240 There would have been no opportunity before that 304 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,520 for people to have considered the earth from outside in reality. 305 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:14,680 One day, a letter arrived on my desk that was from Director of Space Flight Operations for NASA, 306 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,360 and in it was an invitation. 307 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:23,560 Would I like to be an experimenter to look for life on Mars? 308 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,680 If there is life on Mars, then there will be a simply fabulous expansion 309 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,360 of the perspective of the biologist, 310 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,560 because all the organisms on the earth, even though 311 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,360 they seem to be different, are fundamentally the same. 312 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,440 Their chemistry is all identical. 313 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,840 I went along to this meeting of biologists, about various experiments 314 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,320 to detect life on Mars that NASA is going to send there on of the future missions. 315 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,720 The first thing we will have to do is organise a team, the best we can get. 316 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,440 Most of the experiments that the biologists were doing 317 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,360 were based on the assumption that life on Mars would be very like life in the Mojave Desert. 318 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:15,600 If their experiment could detect life in that desert, then it could probably detect it on Mars. 319 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,920 One very keen biologist took me by the arm and said, "Let me show you my life detection. 320 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,560 "It's absolutely... an experiment for Mars. 321 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,440 "It's bound to work. It can't possibly fail." 322 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:37,480 And what he showed me was a little stainless steel cage about one cubic centimetre in size, 323 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,840 and it looked very beautiful, and I said, "What's that?" And he said, "It's my Martian flea trap." 324 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,680 And I said, "Why do you think there's fleas on Mars?" 325 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,720 He said, "Well, everybody knows Mars is nothing but desert, 326 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,880 "and when you get an extensive desert, you always have camels, 327 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,880 "and there's no animals with more fleas than a camel. This will detect life on Mars." 328 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,480 'Is there life on Mars?' 329 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Ah! 330 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,840 So I started being stroppy and saying, 331 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,160 "Well, how the hell do you know that life on Mars is like life in the Mojave Desert? 332 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,240 "It might be totally different. It's a different planet altogether. 333 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,400 "It might not even have the same form as life on earth." 334 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,840 And this made them very cross. 335 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,440 And they thought that I was bullshitting, really. 336 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,360 Is that a technical term? Anyway... 337 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,400 They complained to the Director about it. 338 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,360 He was a tough guy and so he said, "Well, what would YOU do?" 339 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,920 And I said, "I've got to think about that." 340 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,160 He said, "Well, you have until Friday." And I knew that my contract was kind of on the line. 341 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,440 I had got until Friday to come up with an answer. 342 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,280 And that's the kind of thing that really stimulates thinking. 343 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 I was scared. 344 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,480 Jim is at his best when he's posed a problem, I think. 345 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,480 Give him a puzzle, and he's brilliant at solving them. 346 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360 And what's brilliant about his thinking is 347 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200 that he thinks out of the box. 348 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,800 He doesn't imagine what we might put on the landing craft 349 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,600 and how it might measure the soil. 350 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,920 He says, there must be a much more general way of recognising life. 351 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200 Suddenly, it came to me. 352 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,240 Finding life on Mars is the simplest thing in the world to do. 353 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:36,560 All you had to do was measure the composition of the atmosphere of Mars, chemically. 354 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,440 That was all. Just find out what gases were in its atmosphere. 355 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,320 He had the realisation that if life was abundant on a planet, 356 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,720 it would change the atmosphere of that planet, and then you could take that a step 357 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,680 further and realise that you could tell whether there was life on Mars or not without having to go there. 358 00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:01,400 You can do it with a regular telescope but using an ultra-sensitive infrared analyser. 359 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Lovelock felt that if the Martian atmosphere was inert and unchanging, 360 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,480 there could be no life. 361 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,480 My argument was, if there was life on the surface, then it would be obliged 362 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,840 to use the atmosphere as the source of materials to make itself. 363 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,480 And it would also have to use the atmosphere as a place to deposit its waste products. 364 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,760 And doing that would change the composition of the atmosphere 365 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,360 in a way that would reflect the existence of life. 366 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,760 For there to be any chance of life on Mars, 367 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,920 there would need to be a variety of gases present in its atmosphere. 368 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,560 Lovelock and NASA held their breaths. 369 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,200 In September 1965, 370 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,560 I met in a room with Carl Sagan, 371 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,600 and in comes another astronomer, 372 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,640 Lou Kaplan, carrying sheets and sheets of paper. 373 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:05,760 And we said, "What's this?" And he said, "It's the complete analysis of the Martian atmosphere." 374 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640 What this analysis showed 375 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,480 was that Mars had atmospheres that were almost nothing but carbon dioxide, 376 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,040 just bare traces of other gases present. 377 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,800 And I knew immediately this meant Mars was probably lifeless. 378 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,400 At that moment, suddenly a thought came into my mind. 379 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,080 But why is the earth's atmosphere so amazingly different? 380 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,680 It was this realisation and the logic that provided it that prompted 381 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,360 Lovelock to think about our own planet in a radically different way. 382 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,600 The earth was a remarkable planet. 383 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320 How does it stay always habitable, 384 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,120 all the billions of years? 385 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,360 We've got oxygen mixed with methane 386 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,640 that would be explosive if it were different in composition. 387 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,720 Then it occurred to me that both gases were made by living organisms at the earth's surface. 388 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,800 If they were making them, maybe they were regulating them. 389 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,600 It was eureka moment. 390 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:44,680 I sort of blurted this all out, that, oh, the earth must be a great self-regulating system, 391 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,360 almost alive, that's holding its atmosphere constant. 392 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,240 And this shook the others, particularly Carl. He said, "Oh, you couldn't possibly be right, Jim." 393 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,120 Then he thought for a moment, and he said, "But there might be something in what you say, 394 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,920 "because we astronomers have known that one of the great puzzles is 395 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,560 "that the sun has warmed up 30% since the earth formed, 396 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,880 "so if it was warm enough for life to start, 397 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,520 "why aren't we boiling now?" 398 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,200 And then immediately it occurred to me, well, if the organisms can regulate the amount 399 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,440 of gas in the atmosphere, then they can regulate the temperature. We know it. 400 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,240 We've only put... What is it? 401 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:33,200 ..6% more CO2 in the atmosphere and we're all in trouble, already. 402 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,680 It doesn't take much to change the temperature by changing the gases. 403 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,000 It was life that looked after the atmosphere and the climate. 404 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,880 His eureka moment. 405 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:53,000 He realised that earth had this incredibly unusual atmosphere because of the presence of life, 406 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,360 and then he could make an intuitive leap 407 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,240 to the idea that that might mean that life was somehow involved 408 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:03,520 in self-regulating the state of the atmosphere and the climate. 409 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,760 It's those intuitive leaps that must require an unusual mind. 410 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,040 It wasn't until you started asking questions about Mars 411 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,160 and thinking about its atmosphere and the effect of life on it, that you suddenly start looking at the bits 412 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,600 of the earth like the atmosphere and the oceans in a totally different light. 413 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000 His single greatest contribution 414 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,360 to science has been to say 415 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,360 you must look at the earth top-down as a system, looked at from above, 416 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,960 forgetting the disciplines of geology, biology, meteorology. 417 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,040 You can't take the top-down view if you're tied into a single discipline. 418 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:57,000 It's only if you've got it all in your mind, in one go, that all the bits and pieces come together. 419 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,800 I was lucky enough to have had strong hands-on experience in chemistry, 420 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:11,120 in physics, making instruments, in biology, working with animals, with bacteria, with all sorts. 421 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,200 Science was one open board to me. 422 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,680 I didn't...I wasn't tied into a given discipline, as most of them are. 423 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:26,960 The first law of thermodynamics - heat is work and work is heat. 424 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,240 I've always been mischievous and I think my school days made me that. 425 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:37,640 The second law of thermodynamics... I got frequently caned. 426 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,320 Heat cannot of itself pass from one body to a hotter. 427 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:49,720 You see, I'm a fairly amenable sort of non-rebellious person, but circumstances drove me that way. 428 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,160 # Heat won't pass from a cooler to a hotter 429 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,000 # You can try it if you like but you'd far better notter 430 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,240 # You can try it if you like but you'd far better notter... # 431 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:05,120 I was very happy to go to a grammar school. At last I was being taught science. 432 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,920 Nothing could really dispel the disappointment I felt when I found 433 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,720 that the real science was almost unbelievably dull that was taught. 434 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,760 # ..And work is heat And heat is work 435 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,840 # Heat will pass by conduction... # 436 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:26,680 And I went through a dangerous period of almost becoming turned away from it. 437 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,320 # ..And that's a physical law 438 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,640 # Heat is work and work's a curse... # 439 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,600 I remember on one occasion we were given a general knowledge examination 440 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:44,560 which was set for the top classes of the school, which included the Sixth Forms, and I was in the Fifth Form. 441 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,040 And I was lucky enough to win the first prize 442 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,160 in this examination, which irritated the establishment beyond belief. 443 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,960 It was not what they had expected would happen at all. 444 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,440 I was harangued in front of the school 445 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,080 on the grounds that I was not intelligent, 446 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,560 I was a freak, just a storehouse of knowledge 447 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,280 who had accidentally managed to answer all the questions on the examination. 448 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,240 I think... 449 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,960 the demeaning... and ill-treatment of that kind 450 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,800 with many children would be fatal. 451 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,960 It would drive them into depression, 452 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,280 loss of all self-esteem. 453 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,320 I often thought I had low self-esteem, but it wasn't. 454 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,680 It was really a feeling 455 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,440 that I was at war with the establishment, always. 456 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,120 And it doesn't hurt to get warned about them, to deal with them, 457 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:51,920 at an early age and use it to fight my battles in life from then on. 458 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,760 Lovelock's radical idea about the earth certainly went against the scientific consensus of the day. 459 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,640 It had emerged from his work at NASA, 460 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,280 but it wasn't until he was back in the UK that it was given a name. 461 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520 It wasn't called Gaia then. 462 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,000 It wasn't until about two years later when my friend and neighbour, 463 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,040 William Golding, the celebrated author, 464 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,160 suggested that if I was going to have ideas, large ideas like that 465 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,720 about the earth, I'd better have a proper name, and he said, 466 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,360 "And I suggest Gaia, the Greek goddess." 467 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,560 'We have a statue which is supposed to represent Gaia here.' 468 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,800 I don't go out and pray before it in the morning before I start work or anything like that. 469 00:39:52,640 --> 00:40:00,440 The first paper that named Gaia was entitled "Gaia As Seen Through The Atmosphere." 470 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,360 One of the most important things about Gaia is its ability to self-regulate, 471 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,680 to keep the temperature, for example, constant, 472 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,480 to keep the amount of the various gases in the air within certain ranges, 473 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,720 so as always to keep the planet habitable. 474 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:28,480 It was life that regulated the planet and looked after the atmosphere and the climate. 475 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,520 After I formulated Gaia, the evidence for it began gradually to emerge. 476 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,880 To give an example, the production by organisms that live in the ocean 477 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,720 of a strange gas called dimethyl sulphide. 478 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,880 What happens is, if the ocean's surface water gets warm, the algae grow better. 479 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,520 It's like the growth of all organisms. 480 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,840 It's faster when it's warmer. 481 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:11,640 And as they grow better, they produce more of the gas dimethyl sulphide, 482 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:19,120 which vents into the atmosphere and ultimately causes a cloud layer to form over the ocean surface. 483 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,200 The clouds are white and they reflect sunlight back to space, 484 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,240 and so the more the algae grow, the cooler the earth gets. 485 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,960 Why should the algae want to do that? 486 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Well, the reason is, 487 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,040 they have a need to keep the ocean surface waters cool, 488 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,160 because once the ocean surface water rises 489 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,400 above about 14 degrees Celsius, 490 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,480 it stratifies, and then the nutrients 491 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,080 that are in the lower water cannot enter that top layer, 492 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,760 and so the algae living there die of lack of food, quite simply. 493 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,480 So they have a strong vested interest in doing anything 494 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:14,160 that will stop the top layer of water from rising above 14 Celsius. 495 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:19,800 So you've got a nice thermostated mechanism there, and the whole thing's beautifully stable. 496 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,960 So there was one of the great natural cycles at last explained properly. 497 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,040 And it was a small triumph of Gaia, 498 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,240 which didn't really hit the fan to any extent. Nobody was interested. 499 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,640 So it left me with no option but to write a book. 500 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,600 "If Gaia does exist, then we may find ourselves - 501 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,040 "and all other living things - to be parts and partners 502 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960 "of a vast being who, in her entirety, 503 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,560 "has the power to maintain our planet as a fit and comfortable habitat for life." 504 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,320 There was a lot missing, 505 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:10,960 but it was a skeleton of what... of the body of theory that was to develop. 506 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,080 We believe in one God... 507 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:21,600 CONGREGATION: ..the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen... 508 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:29,000 I was astonished, quite astonished, to receive letters and phone calls from religious people. 509 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,520 One that I remember particularly was the Bishop of Birmingham, Hugh Montefiore. 510 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,120 It made me think of what theologians call the Imminence of God. 511 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,480 That is to say, the Holy Spirit of God working within creation, 512 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,360 and the way in which the cybernetic controls are set up 513 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:53,480 and make life optimal for human beings to appear in so many different ways, 514 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:59,920 which he describes, that immediately put me in mind of the Holy Spirit working within creation. 515 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,400 Christ is risen. Christ will come again. 516 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,760 I found it very easy to engage with people who are religious 517 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:17,600 if they want to think of Gaia as an example of God's creation, a living thing that God created. 518 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,400 I'm not saying I think that, but it's a way for them to think about it. 519 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,560 # Sweet child in time... # 520 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,520 I was even more astonished with the interest that the New Age... 521 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,720 which was a world I'd not even encountered at all before that. 522 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,120 We don't recognise that we are so intimately connected with the earth 523 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:50,360 and that she is so much a part of us and we are so much a part of her, 524 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:57,400 that if we don't communicate with her and recognise how we can't live without her, 525 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,760 we'll destroy the earth. 526 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,280 We'll destroy her and we'll destroy ourselves. 527 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,000 They took up Gaia, not in a way that I liked at all. 528 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,360 I much preferred the religious approach to the New Age one. 529 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,360 It was no help whatever in my battle with the scientists. 530 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,360 They say, you know, look, it's nothing by New Age nonsense. 531 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,600 The initial response to... 532 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,400 the Gaia hypothesis, as it then was 30 years ago, 533 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,960 was extremely hostile, more than negative, often dismissive, scornful. 534 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,960 And persisting in developing this theory meant a degree 535 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,240 of isolation from the existing scientific communities 536 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,920 that Jim was ready to accept. 537 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,800 For the scientific establishment, Gaia was a mystical vision 538 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,760 of organisms acting cooperatively to benefit Mother Earth. 539 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:26,840 Fanciful nonsense, which, it was claimed, flew in the face of evolutionary theory. 540 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,920 The first serious criticism from the scientific community 541 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,600 was an article by the biologist, W Ford Doolittle, 542 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,640 entitled "Is Nature Really Motherly?" 543 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,720 in which he took Gaia to the cleaners, or rather the theory. 544 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:53,160 Doolittle said, "Well, you'd have to imagine a committee of all the organisms on the planet 545 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,120 "getting together every year and deciding what the level 546 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,680 "of oxygen would be in the atmosphere that year, 547 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,760 "you know, and obviously that's not going to work." 548 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,800 And they employed really talented writers like Richard Dawkins 549 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,400 and I think, at the time, 550 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:18,400 Dawkins hated Gaia as much as he hates God, if you like to make a comparison. 551 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,200 The danger...it's not exactly distressing or disturbing, 552 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,320 except to an academic biologist who values the truth, 553 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,040 the danger is 554 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:31,880 that they will say things like... the function of oxygen is to...do so and so. 555 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,040 The function of ammonia is... The function of methane is... 556 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,240 Because it implies that individual organisms 557 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:42,760 that are manufacturing that gas are doing it for the good of the biosphere. 558 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:48,040 The main thing that Richard Dawkins said was there was no way 559 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,040 for living organisms to regulate anything beyond their bodies - 560 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,800 what he called their phenotypes - 561 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,920 that regulating the... the idea of organisms regulating the planet was quite absurd. 562 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,480 The really key objection 563 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,440 was how could Gaia evolve to be self-regulating? 564 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,240 You would need that the organisms on the earth had foresight in some way. 565 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,800 What they saw as altruism on a global scale... 566 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,800 they could be altruistic towards themselves or their kin, but that was the limit. 567 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,400 Looking after the whole planet and everything on it was just ridiculous, 568 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,800 and this is what stuck in the throats of most scientists. 569 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:41,040 They felt that there was no way for Gaia to evolve by natural selection. 570 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,000 It frightened all the other scientists off. 571 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,560 Almost everybody else became then anti-Gaian. 572 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,320 It became impossible 573 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,200 to publish a paper 574 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,040 on the subject of Gaia in any scientific journal. 575 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,720 It was a quite wicked censorship of an idea. 576 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,680 This was all the more frustrating, because, as far as I was concerned, 577 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,840 Gaia isn't against natural selection. 578 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:29,360 'In fact, natural selection is a critical part of Gaia.' 579 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,920 I spent a miserable year trying to find an answer to Richard Dawkins' criticisms. 580 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,480 In an attempt to silence his critics, 581 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,960 Lovelock set about building a computer model 582 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,840 of a planet he called Daisyworld. 583 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,560 A model he hoped would prove Gaia's validity once and for all. 584 00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:01,840 It was a model of a simple planet that's orbiting a star like the sun, 585 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,640 and this particular star, like our own sun, warms up as it grows older. 586 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:14,680 And the only life there is on Daisyworld are daisies, one dark and one light. 587 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:23,440 You won't get any germination until the surface somewhere has warmed up to about 4 degrees Celsius. 588 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,080 Then the first daisy seeds will germinate. 589 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,680 The planet was quite cold, 590 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,240 and what would happen at first was dark daisies would be favoured. 591 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,920 They'd been selected, naturally selected. 592 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,480 Being dark, they'd absorb more heat than the surface, so they'd warm up 593 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:56,160 first themselves and then their locality, so they'll start spreading. 594 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,560 Quite rapidly, dark daisies grow and then spread and spread and spread, 595 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,080 and the temperature zooms up and so do they, in a strong positive feedback, 596 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,920 until you reach a point 597 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:13,200 where the planetary temperature is high enough for white daisies to grow. 598 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,920 And then they start competing with the black daisies for space. 599 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:30,680 And as the sun's heat gets warmer, so gradually the proportion of white increases. 600 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,680 If it got too warm, then the white daisies, 601 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,320 which tend to reflect radiation away, 602 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,960 would cool the planet down, 603 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,840 and the system would fall into a regulatory pattern. 604 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:50,000 And the competition kept the temperature exactly at the optimum for daisy growth. 605 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,200 And the whole thing's beautifully stable. 606 00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:03,760 Daisyworld showed that evolution by natural selection is absolutely vital for Gaia. 607 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,040 And there's no foresight. These things all happen by chance. 608 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:18,800 It answered the criticism that life can't regulate the climate of the earth. 609 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,240 Well, they were right. It can't. 610 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,240 But when life is part of a complete system of an atmosphere 611 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,200 and a surface and so on, then it can regulate. 612 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,800 It's not the life that's regulating, it's the whole system is regulating itself. 613 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,560 It applies to the organisms and their environment, 614 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:49,600 and for us on earth, this means all life takes part in Gaia together with the atmosphere, 615 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,320 oceans and surface rocks. 616 00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:02,680 What we find is that the system is locked in a sort of dance in which everything changes together. 617 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,920 It's as if everything seems to be correlated with everything else. 618 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,600 Just one example, you've got the circulation of the ocean, 619 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,080 you've got the amount of ice on the surface as well, all of these things are working, 620 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,760 changing in concert. 621 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,320 It's almost like a symphony. 622 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,120 Daisyworld was enough to allow scientists to start 623 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:35,000 taking Lovelock's theory seriously, and, as more and more interdependent systems are discovered, 624 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,920 the core ideas behind Gaia are finally moving into the mainstream. 625 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:48,760 We don't have a model that explains everything, but these things are all linked together and have been 626 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,280 the chief stabilising mechanisms that have kept the planet habitable over literally billions of years. 627 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,640 Lovelock's ideas are at the heart of understanding 628 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,560 how humanity is now changing those stabilising mechanisms 629 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,880 and they brought him to a controversially bleak view of our future. 630 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,160 'From a Gaian point of view, 631 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,640 'when we first started interfering with the atmosphere, nothing much happened.' 632 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,840 It was encompassing it by its ordinary regulating mechanism. 633 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,400 But when it gets too much, Gaia can't cope with it. 634 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,720 'And this is why I'm afraid, I think. 635 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:36,720 'It's going to play absolute mayhem with our civilisation in the next 10 or 100 years.' 636 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:42,320 And when you see the whole picture, it is really fearsomely bad. 637 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:49,240 I mean, things like the very rapid melting of the floating ice near the North Pole. 638 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:54,840 As the floating ice melts, so less sunlight is reflected back 639 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,880 to space by the dazzlingly white ice, and more and more sunlight's absorbed by the ocean. 640 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:04,600 Just the melting of the floating ice in the Arctic Ocean 641 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:11,040 will add as much heat to the earth as all of the CO2 we put in the atmosphere to date. 642 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:19,000 And this is why I'm afraid, I think, there's very little we can do about it. 643 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,320 All of our efforts to reduce emissions are as nothing. 644 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,320 'There's no morality about it. 645 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,440 'If the earth improves as a result of our presence, then we will flourish. 646 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,600 'If it doesn't, 647 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,920 'then we will die off.' 648 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,160 I fear that not many of us will survive... 649 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:50,040 perhaps at best about a billion, possibly a lot less than that. 650 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:56,360 Now, how they will die, it'll be by starvation, by war, by disease, who knows? 651 00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,200 The four horsemen really ride when conditions like that happen. 652 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:11,640 I still think there's a lot to play for, but we will see the face of the world change. 653 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:18,520 We're still in the midst of a kind of scientific revolution about how we...not only how we see or study 654 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:24,360 the earth, but how we see our relationship as humans with the earth's system, or Gaia. 655 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,640 The key lesson 656 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:35,200 of Lovelock's life as a scientist is that he doesn't think in terms 657 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,880 of any pre-existing consensus, but he's been able to radically shift 658 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:45,520 the prevailing scientific paradigm to the point at which, 659 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,880 from having been almost reviled, 660 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,080 it's become part of the way scientists generally now think. 661 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,000 James Lovelock, it gives me enormous pleasure to reward this towering career 662 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,280 For James Lovelock, now aged 90, acceptance of his ideas is also recognition 663 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,200 of the importance of independent and unconventional thinking in science. 664 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:20,840 But whether future generations will be able to continue this tradition is, perhaps, uncertain. 665 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,240 It isn't an easy subject, is it? 666 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,480 And people say to me, "Well, YOU can say that kind of thing easily, because at your age, 667 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,280 "it's not going to affect you anyway, you'll be dead before it all happens." 668 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,520 And that's true, although I'm not so sure that if I live to 100, 669 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,800 I think a lot of things may happen before then. 670 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,000 But I do have great-grandchildren, 671 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,920 and it's progeny... is the name of the game here. 672 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,880 RANDY NEWMAN: # Man means nothing 673 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,240 # He means less to me 674 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,320 # Than the lowliest cactus flower 675 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,360 # Or the humblest yucca tree 676 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,040 # He chases round this desert 677 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,480 # Cos he thinks that's where I'll be 678 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,160 # That's why I love mankind. # 679 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,000 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 680 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,000 E-mail subtitling@bbc.co.uk