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Millions of us will have made
drastic changes to what we eat
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because we have been told
it will do us some good.
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But some of what is recommended can
be very controversial.
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So today we will be investigating
the quick fix fads that could be
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doing us more harm than good.
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Every day we are bombarded with
conflicting information about our
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favourite foods.
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One minute we are told something is
good for us,
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the next it's not and we're left
feeling guilty about what we're
eating.
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We've been wading through the
confusion to separate the scare
stories from
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the truth so you can choose your
food with confidence.
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Hello and welcome to
Food: Truth Or Scare,
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where we go behind
some of these big,
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bold headlines to tell you whether
what you can eat really can
transform
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your health or even, as in the case
of one of today's films,
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just keep you from reaching for
another biscuit.
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But what the papers don't always
tell us is that lurking behind some
of
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those reports is advice that could
have a long-term impact on your
health
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and if some of the critics are to be
believed, could even be dangerous.
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So if you want to know the truth
about the foods and diets that the
papers
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just can't seem to make their minds
up about,
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then you are absolutely in the right
place because we have everything you
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need to know.
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Coming up... Will completely cutting
out certain foods from your diet
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do you any good or could it be
a food fad too far?
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I just read in a clean eating book
recently that a lettuce leaf makes a
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great substitute for bread.
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And the headlines that question
everything we thought we knew about
fat.
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Could it really be true that all
we've been told about eating too
much is wrong?
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The report is actually quite
misleading and actually that could
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have quite damaging and detrimental
effects on public health.
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Chris, this first film was something
that in a way you and I come from
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different sides, different points of
view really.
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We certainly do. Did you know that
up to two thirds of people have
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considered cutting out entire food
groups from their diet because they
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think it will be good for them? That
is more often than not dairy and
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gluten, which my wife, who is a
coeliac, cannot have at all.
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But you have had to do something
similar, haven't you?
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I did. I actually quite by accident
found out that I was classified as
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prediabetic and so I was advised by
this top doctor that I should really
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cut out sugar, but he said you have
got to cut out carbs as well.
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So by cutting out carbs as well as
sugar it meant that I avoided being
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a type 2 diabetic and I lost 2st
in weight.
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Well, that's absolutely fine.
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It's one thing cutting something out
on clear medical advice and it's
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quite another to do it for lifestyle
reasons, and however popular cutting
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out entire food groups seems to be
in headlines like this one,
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some reports say
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it might not actually be that good
for us after all.
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So I set out whether to see whether
exclusion diets are a short cut to
good
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health or a short-lived fad that
could lead to long-term problems.
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For years the papers have loved to
tell us how to eat better,
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but it seems the days of just
cutting down on the bad things are
long gone.
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Now we are being told to
cut some foods out of our diets
altogether.
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Whether it's dropping gluten, wheat,
dairy, sugar or carbs,
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we are told that so-called exclusion
diets can apparently do everything
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from help you to lose weight,
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boost your energy, and even protect
against conditions like diabetes.
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But the same papers that appear to
love them aren't shy about giving
them
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a bashing too.
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And I have to say it's going to take
quite a lot to convince me that
these
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diets are a good idea because I've
got personal experience of what it's
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like for someone who has no
choice but to avoid gluten.
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Now, my wife is a coeliac,
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so I know how hard it is when you
are trying to cut out certain food
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groups. Why anyone would want to do
it voluntarily is beyond me.
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But Rebecca Hudson from Woking
thinks she has got plenty of reasons
to
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exclude gluten from her diet too.
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I can get quite bloated sometimes
and I get quite tired and lethargic
and
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I can get like a few outbreaks of
spots and things.
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I've decided to give up gluten
because I think it would be
interesting to
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see if some of my symptoms go.
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From what she's read Rebecca thinks
going gluten free really could help,
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so she is going to try it for
a month.
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And for a bit of moral support
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she is calling on her boyfriend and
school sports coach, John, who will
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be trying out an exclusion diet too.
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He will be giving up dairy for a
month because he wants to cut down
his
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body fat and improve how he feels.
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Recently just reading newspapers I
read that some people do it to clean
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out their body and say, "Right,
let's try something else."
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That's what I believe, but it could
be completely wrong.
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Before they have to give up any of
the foods they love
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the couple have invited Rebecca's
twin sister Natasha around for a
last supper.
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So, who do you think is going to
find it harder out of the two of
you?
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John. Yeah, I think John.
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Rebecca and John aren't alone in
trying something like this.
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In fact, it's been estimated that
four in ten of us are now following
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a specialist diet
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and that includes those who have cut
entire food groups to help lose
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weight or even make them feel
better.
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But dietician Dimple Thakrar thinks
it is a food fad that could actually
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be dangerous for our health.
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So, people are choosing to cut dairy
or gluten.
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Yeah. Why are you not recommending
people do this?
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OK, so for example gluten.
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Gluten is contained in wheat and
bread.
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If we remove those foods from our
diet and not replacing them,
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we are actually removing a really
good source of starch carbohydrates.
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You're reducing your energy intake.
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A good source of B vitamins,
of iron, of calcium.
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Dairy, again, a good source of
protein, a good source of calcium.
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So, again, removing those you could
become deficient in them.
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'The potential side effects could be
so serious that the British Dietetic
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'Association says that anyone
wanting to do an exclusion diet
should seek
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'professional advice first.'
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Unless you've been tested and
diagnosed by a medical professional
and then
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supported with a dietician, we
wouldn't recommend exclusion diets.
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However, if you choose to do that
for lifestyle reasons,
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it is really important that you seek
the support of a dietician.
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While Dimple takes a dim view of
exclusion diets,
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other experts are less critical.
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Nutritionist Yvonne Bishop-Weston
says some of her clients do say they
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feel better after excluding
certain foods,
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so we asked her to help Rebecca and
John through their month-long
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experiment. She is paying the couple
and Natasha a visit for a pre-diet
checkup.
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So, how has dinner been going?
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To see whether the diets do have the
positive effects that Rebecca and
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John are hoping, Yvonne is getting
them to rate out of ten how
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they feel now, and she will do the
same at the end of the experiment.
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First, marks for how tired they
feel, with one being not at all and
ten
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being exhausted.
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Are you able to
give that a number?
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Four. Thank you. What about you?
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When it gets to mid morning
I'm like, "I'm really tired".
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And if I'm here I really want a nap
and sometimes I do.
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So Rebecca gives her tiredness
levels as seven,
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but both she and John say their
biggest concern is with their
digestion.
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Rebecca, what would you say are your
key digestive symptoms?
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Sometimes I can just get quite
bloated.
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Sometimes I go to bed and I'll be
like, "I feel really full".
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What about you, John? There were a
few things that you marked down
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on your digestive system. Now,
this is not a competition.
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I know. You don't have to beat her
numbers.
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It is a competition.
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THEY LAUGH
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Rebecca gives herself a six for
bloatedness and John gives himself
a seven.
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He also rates his digestive troubles
a three,
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but Rebecca has other ideas.
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That is... Gassy.
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LAUGHTER
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Should we ask? Should we put gas,
as reported by Rebecca?
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It's bad, it's like a seven.
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John's greatest hope for the diet is
that he will lose some body fat.
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83.4.
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So Yvonne takes a whole range of
other measurements...
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Suck in.
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So, I've got some food diaries here
for you.
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..before leaving them,
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ready to start their month-long
diets the next morning.
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It will be really interesting to
come back to these scores,
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back to these symptoms, in a month's
time, and see if we've found any
changes. Yeah, excited.
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Yvonne will keep an eye
on the couple's diets over the next
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month and is optimistic they could
both feel healthier.
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I am expecting if gluten is an issue
for Rebecca to see a change in her
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waist. Not her level of body fat,
but her level of bloating.
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I think with John it's going to be
harder to work out whether it's made
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a difference or not. He is
interested in looking at a change
in body fat
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percentage, but his body fat
percentage is already really good.
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Yvonne will be back in four weeks'
time to see how they got on.
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But according to some headlines
Rebecca and John could end up less
healthy,
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depending on the foods they choose
to replace all that gluten and dairy
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they would otherwise be eating.
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For someone with coeliac disease,
like my wife,
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there is no option but to go
gluten free.
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But while only one in every 100
people are coeliac,
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one in five have bought or eaten
gluten-free products
and they have done it
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mainly because they believe that
gluten may be bad for them,
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'and though that means more choice,
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'dietician Dimple Thakrar says not
everything available will be as
healthy
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'as it might appear.'
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So, my wife's a coeliac,
so she can't eat gluten. Yeah.
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I've noticed that the "free from"
range of products available has
grown
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exponentially. Yes. How do you think
they stack up?
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If we look at the fat content,
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there's probably two to three times
more fat in the gluten-free bread
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than there is
in a normal slice of bread.
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So... So people... Some people,
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could be cutting out gluten... And
thinking they are doing the right
thing...
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Whereas actually they could be
increasing their fat.
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And therefore increasing their risk
of heart disease and weight gain.
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Back in Woking,
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John and Rebecca are getting to
grips with the reality of their
exclusion diet.
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John has cut dairy
and Rebecca has cut gluten.
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But as their video diaries show,
things aren't as easy as they'd
hoped.
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So I'm feeling pretty annoyed today
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and it's all because of
coffee shops.
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They don't really have many options
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at all available to anyone that is
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"free from".
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Pastries, butter in the
sandwiches,
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just dairy in everything.
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I went to a cafe
with some friends we all got
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bacon rolls. My little
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gluten-free roll was half the size
and I had to pay more for it.
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Blooming ridiculous.
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I did have to steal a few tomatoes
off the cocktail sticks and a few
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lettuce leaves.
But that was that it.
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I kind of felt a bit like
a rabbit.
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Well, later in the programme
we'll see if things got any easier
for John
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and Rebecca and if, after a month,
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their exclusion diets have made
any difference whatsoever
to how they feel.
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Now, excluding whole food groups
from your diet is one way that lots
of
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people are choosing to lose weight.
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But if that's a bit extreme and
you'd prefer just to cut down,
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rather than cutting something out
completely then you might go for one
of
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the more tried and tested ways to
lose weight.
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So, for example, Chris, if you
decide to lose weight,
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not that you need to, of course, how
would you choose to do it?
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Oh, I don't know. Low fat foods,
I suppose.
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Why low-fat? Low-fat foods help you
lose weight, don't they?
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You see, that's what we've always
been told,
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but I've been on the trail of the
story that said exactly the opposite
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and told us to forget everything we
thought we knew about weight loss.
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For decades fat, particularly
saturated fat,
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has been public health enemy
number one,
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as indeed so many of us are aware.
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It's going to clog your arteries up
sooner or later if you keep eating
saturated fat.
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Well, every time I've joined Weight
Watchers I've been told to eat less
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saturated fat.
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Saturated fats, you have to get them
in there because it's part of your
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diet, but too much I don't think
would be right for you.
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We've reported on the confusion
around the role of saturated fat
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in our diet before. But last spring,
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it looked like decades of official
advice had been overturned when a
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raft of new headlines suddenly
announced that,
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far from being the enemy we'd long
been told it was,
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that fat could be a friend for
anyone trying to slim down.
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Unsurprisingly, such a unexpected
and controversial message
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made a very big splash
in the papers.
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Now, many, many newspapers reported
roughly the same thing.
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They had rather similar headlines,
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and all of them saying that this
particular study or report says that
all of
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the traditional views we have had of
trying to lose weight in the past
are wrong,
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and what we should be doing instead
of swapping high-fat foods for
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low-fat foods, it should be the
other way round.
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We should be eating a lot of
high-fat foods, even saturated fats.
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Now, while it might sound
extraordinary,
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the report the headlines were based
on came from some members of the
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health charity
the National Obesity Forum.
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And it said the Government's advice
to reduce the amount of saturated
fat
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we eat to help control our weight
and avoid conditions like heart
disease
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was wrong.
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It's such a big sort of wide
subject, isn't it?
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Trudi Deakin is one of the authors
of the report.
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She says when the nation turned to
low-fat foods we replaced the fat
with
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carbohydrates and sugar and, as far
as she is concerned,
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far from helping us to lose weight
that's contributed to the highest
levels
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of obesity ever.
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So, Trudi, practically as far as
I can remember back,
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the message has always been no fat,
low fat, light everything.
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We live in a fat-phobic nation,
don't we?
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And the science came out in the
1950s and 1960s
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and it was bad science,
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unfortunately. And at that time
there was not one clinical trial
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that showed that reducing total fat
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and reducing saturated fat
in the diet
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would improve health outcomes
at all.
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While Trudi might consider it
bad science,
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those studies were the basis for the
Government's first official
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guidelines for what we should eat,
published in 1983.
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But Trudi doesn't think they've had
the intended effect on the nation's
health.
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When the dietary guidelines were
published in 1983,
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then the prevalence of diabetes was
1.4%, it's now 6%.
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Wow. Prevalence of obesity was
6% - 8%, it is now 25%.
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That's scary, isn't it?
So two thirds of the population were
overweight.
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So people don't get up in the
morning and say,
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"I want to get fat," but they are
following the guidelines and they're
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having a low-fat, high carbohydrate
diet and it's not working.
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Eating fat doesn't make you fat.
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'Instead, Trudi says
it's a combination of carbohydrates
and processed fats
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'that lead to obesity.'
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So, where do you stand on what's
good fat and what's really bad fat?
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The healthy fats are the natural
fats.
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So avoid the fake foods,
avoid the junk foods,
avoid the processed foods,
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let's kind of base our meals
on real foods.
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Oily fish, butter, lard.
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If you turn around and look at the
ingredients of butter,
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you will see buttermilk.
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If you pick up a low-fat spread and
look at the ingredients,
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how long are they? I mean,
they're really long,
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full of processed and artificial
ingredients.
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'And while I can see that
that makes sense,'
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I worry that headlines declaring
that fat is good go against
everything we've
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been told, not least because four
years ago my husband, Stephen,
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had a small heart attack,
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and most experts would agree that
saturated fat
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is one of the causes of
heart disease.
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'But Trudi stands by her report.'
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I don't mean this unkindly, but are
you right?
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Absolutely, yes.
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I mean, the evidence is there.
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Last year a systematic review was
published on this very subject and
what
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they concluded is that reducing
saturated fat in the diet does not
reduce
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cardiovascular disease or heart
attacks and does not reduce strokes
and
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does not reduce diabetes diagnoses.
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'I have to say, I find some parts of
Trudi's argument quite convincing'
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but I can't shake all that
long-standing medical advice about
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saturated fat and its link to
heart disease.
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So I can understand why, when the
study hit the papers last year,
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it was met with huge criticism,
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not least from the Government body
responsible for protecting the
nation's health.
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'Dr Alison Tedstone is chief
nutritionist for Public Health
England.'
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Well, Alison, presumably you've had
a look at this report.
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Yes. And what's your immediate
reaction to it?
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Well, it's an opinion piece.
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It's setting out the opinion of
individuals and they've chosen
studies to
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illustrate their opinion.
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So it's not a complete assessment of
the evidence.
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Do you think it's irresponsible?
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Yes, we do think it's irresponsible.
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There is evidence to show if you
increase your saturated fat intake
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you increase your blood levels of
cholesterol and that will increase
your risk
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of having a heart attack.
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Do you subscribe to the fact that
there are any good fats?
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The advice is as it is for now and
that is that all saturated fats
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should be lower within the diet.
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When you're choosing dairy products,
for example,
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choose lower fat dairy products,
don't choose full fat,
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go for the lower fat products.
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And there are many who share
Alison's concerns about the National
Obesity Forum report,
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pointing to what appears to be
overwhelming evidence that
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saturated fats in particular are
very bad for us.
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So, the report is actually quite
misleading
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and actually that could have
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quite damaging and detrimental
effects on public health.
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So it's not something I would
recommend.
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Many years of research
and also very recent research
published in November 2016
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has linked saturated fat with
a higher risk of heart disease.
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'And while Trudi might say the
Government's decades of nutritional
advice
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'is one of the contributing factors
for record levels of obesity and'
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type 2 diabetes,
Charlotte believes that is unfair
because very few of us
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actually follow that advice.
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I think it's important for the
public to be aware that actually
only about
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1% of the population actually
adheres to our current dietary
recommendations.
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So if you look at the fact that
around 60% of adults are overweight
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or obese and only 1% of people are
following the dietary guidelines,
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it doesn't really make sense that
they are causing overweight
and obesity.
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Well, with both sides arguing
their evidence is the most
convincing,
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clearly this is a disagreement set
to rage on and on.
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And unless the rest of us study in
detail what they are really saying
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it's all too easy to latch onto
just one part of the argument,
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as perhaps was the case with how
the papers reacted to this
particular report.
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The newspaper will take this
document and it will go, "Eat fat,
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"get thin," and that's what the
public look at.
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It has to start somewhere.
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It's not easy, but what else can we
do?
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Ignore the evidence?
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But as far as Alison is concerned,
the evidence Trudi is pointing to
simply
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doesn't stand up. It's quite
difficult.
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We could spend the whole of Public
Health England's resources on
talking
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about articles that come up within
the press, and we do what we can,
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but we also have a job to do,
to check the evidence is correct
and so on
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and so forth. I think the full
dietary advice has changed.
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It's very important that evidence is
looked at in a rounded and
consistent and
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scientific way.
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So the official advice that we
should cut down on fats remains the
same.
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And in the meantime, perhaps the
most worrying factor in all of this
is how
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easy it might be for people to take
an oversimplified message
from a bold headline
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claiming that you can
"eat fat to get thin".
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Still to come, we'll find out if our
volunteers Rebecca and John feel any
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different after a month of cutting
certain foods from their diet.
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I was in a town the other day
and I went to three cafes,
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and no-one could feed me.
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Now, Gloria, whatever the theory is
about either healthy eating
or diets,
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there's one thing that for many of
us stands in the way,
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and that's our appetites, isn't it?
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We've all had those days,
haven't we,
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no matter how much you eat you never
quite feel full,
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and when one or two biscuits quickly
becomes the packet?
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I've been there myself,
I have to tell you.
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And sometimes I'm filming all day
and there is no food available,
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and at times I get so hungry
that I could eat the table
or those papers or
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anything at all just to get
something.
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If you could refrain from
eating the table and papers till the
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end of the show... I'll do my best.
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..that would be fantastic.
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Well, Paralympian Danny Crates is
another one who just can't say no
when
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it comes to certain foods,
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so we sent Danny to see if he could
find an off switch for his appetite.
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'This is one of my favourite rooms
in the house.
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'I'm always cooking, snacking and
nibbling on something as I cook.'
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Just testing!
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'All my life I've had what you might
call a big appetite.
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'As a kid, I used to steal whole
packets of biscuits from the kitchen
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'cupboards, and these days,
when I finish my dinner,
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'I'll hoover up anything left
on the kids' plates.'
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Do you know what? What?
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Because I only had a little bowl
I might have to have a little bit
more.
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'I have a constant appetite, and it
doesn't go unnoticed in my house.'
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At night-time he sneaks in some
cheese and crackers
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and oranges, but we know -
whenever we come down,
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he leaves it all over the floor.
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Hello! Just a little bit extra.
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'I want to know what controls my
appetite and whether anything is
going to
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'stop me finishing off
my kids' leftovers,
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'because even when I'm full I just
keep on going.'
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For me, just like my boys, there's
some foods I can't resist,
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even when I've had a massive meal.
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I know I don't need to eat any more
but I can always find a little bit
of room.
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And apparently, I'm not the
only one who's affected by this.
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'Last autumn, this headline hit the
papers, and it confirmed everything
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'I've always suspected.
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'Even when it feels like there's
no room left in our stomachs,
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'lots of us can
always sneak in an extra treat.
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'The man who was behind the study
being reported is Dr Bernard Corfe,
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'who says that our brains find it
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'all too tempting to override our
stomachs.'
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I don't seem to ever be able to
stop eating.
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Is there any reason for that?
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Appetite is only part of the
equation.
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There's all sorts of overrides that
come from being presented with our
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favourite foods, even the smell of
food or the thought of food,
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or being in a social setting and
eating together.
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If you're amongst people who are
continuing to eat you will continue
to
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eat, too. So there's all sorts of
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overrides that come from your
environment.
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'And those overrides can
be anything from how tired we're
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'feeling to how happy we are.
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'It can also be about where we are
or who we're with or simply
just how much we
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'love the taste of the food
in front of us.
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'Bernard says willpower can help
overcome those temptations.
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'But, as I know all too well,
that isn't easy.'
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Obviously, some people are much
better at saying no than others.
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Is there a quick fix for those
that can't say no?
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There are some people who are
cutter-downers,
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and there are some people who are
cutter-outers.
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And I know, for me,
if I open a packet of biscuits
the whole lot goes,
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but I can stop myself
opening the packet of biscuits
in the first place.
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And so, knowing yourself,
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knowing whether you're better
just to avoid getting started
helps you to
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sort of get a sense of what's going
to work for you as an individual.
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'But in my house, temptation is
everywhere.'
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So I guess hoovering up my
children's leftovers is bad?
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I've been there.
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There is definitely calories in
children's leftovers.
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'So it seems that controlling my
appetite's off switch is not going
to be
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'as simple as I first thought.
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'But all is not lost,
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'because according to dietician
Linia Patel I'm far less likely to
overeat
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'after meals if I eat foods that
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'will properly fill me up in the
first place.'
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We need to look at the type
of foods you're eating.
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The first thing that you need to do
to help you fill up,
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you need to put lots of fibre on
your plate.
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So, fibre would be things like
vegetables and fruit or even beans.
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So what you might do is when you
cook your next Bolognese is actually
chop up
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lots of carrots and celery and
mushrooms and peppers and also put
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a can of beans in there,
because that fills you up instantly.
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Then you need to make sure you've
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got enough protein, because that
keeps you fuller for longer.
452
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,480
'So to
test out whether Linia's right
453
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,840
'and feeling full with the right
foods CAN help overcome temptation,
454
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,880
'I've recruited two self-confessed
big eaters,
455
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,920
'Rick and Mark from Basingstoke,
who, like me,
456
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,400
'can't resist tucking into more
than they need.'
457
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,640
Crisps are a big vice for me.
458
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,040
I've got a real savoury tooth,
so I really, really like crisps,
459
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,320
so once I start picking I usually
can't stop.
460
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,280
Chocolate's my vice. So that's the
unhealthy side of things.
461
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,280
'He's probably a bit more...he's
more of a grazer with those type of
things,'
462
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,680
whereas I tend to sort of binge-eat
crisps.
463
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760
So we sort of...
complement each other like that.
464
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,400
'To see if they're reaching for
snacks out of habit,
465
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,160
'because they can't resist
temptation or because the rest of
their diet
466
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,960
'isn't filling them up, Linia's
going to analyse what they eat,
467
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,560
'and for the last week Rick and Mark
have each been keeping a food
diary.'
468
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240
So, Linia, the food diaries are in,
Richard and Mark's.
469
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,360
Yeah. We'll look at Richard's first.
Is there anything glaringly
470
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,680
obvious to you?
471
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,880
Well, what's happening here is he
loves his sweet stuff.
472
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,520
So very much a sweet tooth.
473
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,240
So a lot of the foods coming through
are going to be high in sugar,
474
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,400
which is not going to help him feel
full.
475
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Actually, it's just going to
make him feel even hungrier
and wanting to eat more.
476
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,280
Mark doesn't eat as regularly,
but he seems to eat large portions.
477
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,560
So obviously he's eating because
he's hungry, but he's eating beyond
that.
478
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,600
The other thing is that Mark drinks
alcohol, and what alcohol does is it
479
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,560
actually gives you an additional
hunger.
480
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,880
So you're much more likely to,
you know, give in to
481
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,400
the second packet of chips or have
dessert because, you know,
482
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,320
you don't care as much.
483
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,720
'Linia wants to help Rick and Mark
stop eating when they don't need to,
484
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,200
'so she's come up with a menu she
thinks should do just that
485
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,360
'by keeping them full all day.
486
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,840
'And it starts with their own
individual protein-packed breakfast,
487
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,160
'which Linia says should really fill
them up.'
488
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,400
This is breakfast this morning.
489
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,600
This is my poached eggs.
490
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,440
So, breakfast is two slices of
wholemeal toast and some baked
beans.
491
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,400
'Linia's confident these
combinations of protein and fibre
will have a
492
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,640
'longer-lasting satisfying effect
and stop Rick and Mark's usual
493
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,640
'mid-morning cravings.'
494
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
I did enjoy something different for
breakfast...
495
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080
..and I do feel a bit fuller than I
normally would.
496
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600
So, I ate that quite slowly.
497
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,880
I am quite full, so I'm going to
stop eating.
498
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,480
I'm going to save my apple
for my mid-morning break
and see how I get on.
499
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,440
'So far, so good.
500
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,560
'A healthy bit of fruit for a snack,
501
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,120
'and four hours later
it's time for lunch.'
502
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,560
So, lunch today.
503
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320
And this is for me and Rick.
504
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,840
'Lunch is a veg-packed salad with
avocado,
505
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,160
'tomato and salad leaves mixed with
506
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,600
'some dressing and topped off with
salmon.'
507
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,080
Lunch has arrived. It's something
different to what I'd normally have.
508
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,360
'Gone are the sandwiches, crisps and
sweets.
509
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,040
'This looks good to me.'
510
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080
That was very nice and I am full.
511
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840
'Both of them admit to snacking most
afternoons,
512
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,800
'but Linia says their favourite
crisps and chocolate aren't just
unhealthy
513
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,680
'but could send their blood sugar
soaring.
514
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,360
'And the crash likely to follow
will make them even hungrier,
515
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,520
'so instead she's advised healthier
snacks - carrot sticks and hummus -
516
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560
'which shouldn't have the same
effect.
517
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,280
'And it's done the trick for Rick.'
518
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,960
I'd normally reach for something
sweet after lunch, but I didn't
really
519
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,680
need them. I really did fancy
520
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,760
something sweet but I wasn't hungry
for anything.
521
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,800
'However, later on Mark did confess
to sneaking in a few cheeky crisps
522
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,400
'mid-afternoon. And for dinner, it's
chicken, lentils and lots of veg,
523
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,200
'which is so filling there's no
room for pudding.'
524
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,760
I am a bit stuffed. I would normally
have ice cream or some chocolate,
but
525
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,520
I'm just full.
526
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,080
I'm done, I think, for tonight.
527
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
'Now, it was probably habit,
not hunger,
528
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,440
'that drove Mark to reach for those
crisps earlier on,
529
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,800
'but Rick was sufficiently satisfied
530
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,000
'by Linia's meals to avoid any extra
temptation.'
531
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Looking at what we've eaten today
532
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,800
I think has changed my perspective
on what I should be eating during
533
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,800
the day to try and stop the
snacking.
534
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,440
'And even with Mark's crisps,
535
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,560
'both of them have eaten less food
than they normally would on a
typical
536
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000
'day and consumed fewer calories.
537
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,080
'And Linia says anyone can do the
same by following three simple
rules.'
538
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,920
Fill up on fibre, so make sure
you're getting some vegetables and
fruit
539
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,120
and beans and wholegrains
onto your plate.
540
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,600
Have protein on your plate,
541
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,400
so include protein, like your meats
and your dairy and your nuts,
542
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,960
in your main meals
and also your snacks.
543
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,920
And then the third is include some
fat in your diet, as well, because
that
544
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,560
really helps your body feely fully
satisfied.
545
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,240
'But, as Mark found, food alone
can't always beat habit or
temptation.
546
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,360
'Most of us are thought to eat an
average of 300 calories a day more
than
547
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,720
'we need. So, as Dr Bernard Corfe
says,
548
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,280
'the key to switching your appetite
off is about more than simply what
you
549
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,280
'eat, and it's different for
everyone.'
550
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680
What people need to do is keep
a diary of food,
551
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,280
keep a diary of physical exercise
and understand, for them as an
552
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520
individual, that calorie excess is
starting to creep in.
553
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,360
And it's by understanding that and
then starting to try to change that
that you
554
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,000
can get control of your diet again.
555
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,960
It's about finding that balance?
556
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Absolutely. It's about the whole of
your lifestyle.
557
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,080
It's about identifying how you can
expend more energy, perhaps, as
well as
558
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,200
taking in more energy, and many
people go running or cycling or
whatever
559
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,760
so they can eat
their favourite foods,
560
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,800
and I'm sure there's lots of
examples of that.
561
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,240
'And I'm one of them.
562
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,400
'Though I've retired from
professional sport,
I'm still active.
563
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,960
'So perhaps I shouldn't be so
worried about controlling appetite,
564
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,320
'as long as I'm burning it off...
565
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,280
'..which with any luck means I don't
need to feel quite so guilty about
566
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,880
'mealtimes with the kids.'
567
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,680
That's all right, that one.
568
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,160
For a host of quick and easy ideas
569
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080
to help you stay full for longer,
go to:
570
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,400
..where you'll also find plenty of
other recipes on some of the topics
571
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,400
we're covering in this series.
572
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,840
Earlier in the programme, we left
Rebecca and John in the middle of
their
573
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,840
exclusion diet, and I think it's
fair to say neither of them were
574
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,760
finding it as easy as they would
have hoped.
575
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,320
But cutting out entire food groups
is part of a new healthy-eating
576
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,560
movement that's gained a lot of
column inches lately,
577
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,360
clean eating. While fans say
it's a no-diet diet,
578
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,480
critics are saying that it's not
only unnecessary but could be
dangerous.
579
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240
So while Rebecca and John get used
to their new regime,
580
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,440
I want to find out whether clean
eating's all it's cracked up to be.
581
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Two weeks into their month-long
experiment with exclusion diets,
582
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,400
dairy-free John and gluten-free
Rebecca are off on a night out.
583
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,360
Where have you decided to take me,
John?
584
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,280
A lovely Italian restaurant
near Woking.
585
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,600
The only problem is that I can't
eat anything on the menu.
586
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Interesting, John.
587
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,680
We could be moving restaurants.
588
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,840
Exclusion diets involve cutting
whole food groups from your diet to
improve
589
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800
your health, and these two started
theirs because Rebecca wants to know
if
590
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,920
gluten is making her tired and
causing digestive problems...
591
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,720
..while sports coach John wonders if
going dairy-free will help his
592
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
digestion and lower his body fat.
593
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Now they're at the halfway point,
594
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,960
they're checking in with
nutritionist Yvonne Bishop-Weston.
595
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,440
Hi! Hi, Yvonne. Hello!
Tell me, what's been happening?
596
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,800
It's a bit of a challenge at
lunchtime at school. All the hot
dishes
597
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,280
with the meat in tend to have butter
in or cream in,
598
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480
so I'm struggling a bit on that
side.
599
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720
I've been finding it all right.
It's very challenging when I'm out
and about.
600
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,960
I was in a town the other day and
I went to three cafes, and no-one
601
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,280
could feed me. How's that affecting
your health?
602
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,000
How are you feeling with these
long gaps between meals?
603
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Well, I'm actually feeling
pretty great.
604
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920
I think I'm sleeping
a tiny bit better.
605
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,760
I'm not sure if it's a slightly
deeper sleep.
606
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,360
I'm waking up a bit more refreshed.
607
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Despite the challenges,
608
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,480
overall Rebecca and John are still
feeling positive.
609
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,320
But to see if their confidence
lasts,
610
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480
Yvonne and I will catch up with them
at the end of the month.
611
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,880
So, speak soon.
Yes. Any questions, get in touch.
612
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,040
And if not, we'll speak again in
two weeks.
613
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,840
Thank you very much, Yvonne.
Thank you. You're welcome.
614
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,560
But if exclusion diets have proved
hugely popular,
615
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,440
hot on their heels has come perhaps
the ultimate example of the idea,
616
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,800
a food regime that takes even more
commitment, so-called clean eating.
617
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,520
It's less a diet, more a way of
life,
618
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,800
championed by celebrity
health gurus,
619
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,120
driven by social media and all over
the papers.
620
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,360
But for every headline saying it's
the key to a healthy and wholesome
621
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,880
life, there's another dismissing it
as an unnecessary and dangerous fad.
622
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Among those who have taken clean
eating to heart are Christine Sutton
623
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,840
and her husband, Thomas.
624
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,480
When I'm clean eating, I would
normally cut out bad starch,
625
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,680
so high-GI-content foods like white
bread, most breads, pasta,
626
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,400
and just stick with meats, fruits,
veg, nuts, things like that.
627
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,240
Along with those,
628
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,440
the couple also avoid almost all
artificial ingredients and of course
629
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,480
processed meats, even the ones they
secretly love.
630
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,400
Unfortunately, bacon is absolutely
delicious,
631
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,240
but it's not really conducive to
that clean-eating mentality and
clean-eating
632
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,520
diet and feeling really good
about the food that you're putting
633
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,960
into your body.
634
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Thomas says he adopts clean eating
when he wants to lose weight,
635
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,880
but Christine tries to stick to the
diet as much as possible and says
she
636
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,280
can really feel the difference to
her health.
637
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,800
I think that clean eating generally
makes me feel a bit better, just
638
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,200
generally in life.
So I've got more energy,
639
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,120
I'm less tired during the day
at work.
640
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Mm! Really good.
641
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,320
'But not all experts are persuaded
on this one,
642
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,960
'and food writer and journalist
Bee Wilson doesn't believe
643
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,080
'the idea has any genuine benefit.'
644
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,040
Can you tell me a
little bit about clean eating?
645
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,040
What is it? Well, it's this phrase
that's started to pop up over the
past
646
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,720
five years, and it's associated with
these bestselling food books that
647
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:27,000
promise that if only you can cut out
loads of different food groups from
648
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,680
your diet you will glow,
you will be thinner,
649
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,400
you'll be happier, you'll be able to
do incredibly bendy,
650
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,640
stretchy yoga moves.
651
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,480
So do we have clean food and do we
have dirty food?
652
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,840
Is that the insinuation with this?
653
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Well, that's the suggestion.
654
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,680
The idea is that somehow food is
moral in some way and that there are
655
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,720
these ingredients, which include
anything from kale to avocado
to coconut oil,
656
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,960
that are somehow virtuous and pure,
and if you can just put enough of
657
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,080
those in your body you're going to
be on some kind of higher plane.
658
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,800
But what I really don't like about
it is there is an assumption in that
659
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600
that somehow there must be other
foods which are dirty.
660
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,280
So clean eating includes taking out
food groups,
661
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,360
not just certain products but whole
groups of food, is that correct?
662
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Yes, so they might say avoid all
dairy, avoid all foods with wheat,
663
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,880
avoid all gluten. And if I was
offering that kind of dietary
advice, I'd
664
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,040
want to have really good backing
and evidence behind it.
665
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,680
But there isn't any. It's founded on
kind of bad science at best.
666
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,760
It's not generally great dietary
advice to just tell people
to cut out
667
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,160
entire nourishing groups of food
for no good reason.
668
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,840
I just read in a clean-eating book
recently that a lettuce leaf makes a
669
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,680
great substitute for bread!
670
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,120
'Back in Woking,
671
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,600
'John and Rebecca are nearing the
end of their exclusion diets.
672
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,760
'Rebecca has cut out gluten
and John has cut out dairy.
673
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,880
'Now is the final weigh-in with
Yvonne.
674
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,680
'And it's clear Rebecca didn't find
as many gluten-free choices as she'd
675
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,480
'have liked.'
676
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,560
So, how did it go?
677
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,720
Yeah, it was good.
It was a challenging month.
678
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,560
I do travel around a lot
due to my work.
679
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,200
I was just so frustrated that there
weren't options available, because
it is
680
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,880
such a big problem. And I think
that's where my frustration was
coming
681
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
from, was "Why don't you have the
options?"
682
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,760
Or if you do have the options,
why am I paying double the price
for it and
683
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,240
why am I paying so much extra for
it? It really just made me mad.
684
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:31,600
I got very passionate about it.
Right, OK. So, excluding dairy,
685
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,080
you think you had a better diet
as a result or ate more healthily?
686
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
I think so. At the beginning
not so much,
687
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640
but when I started to prepare my
food a bit more I realised a lot of
dairy
688
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,760
was incorporated into naughty,
what I call treat food.
689
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,560
I had a high level of fat and sugar.
690
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,200
I actually had to turn them away, so
I ended up taking healthier options,
691
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,200
like a bit of fruit rather than the
cake that was on display.
692
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,200
'A month ago, Yvonne asked John and
Rebecca to choose a number out of
ten to
693
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,640
'describe how they felt about key
areas such as tiredness and
digestion.
694
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,000
'Now, after a month of eating
differently,
695
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,720
'she's asking them to do the same.
696
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,600
'So, will any of those numbers have
changed?'
697
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,200
Rebecca, before,
698
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,000
you said in terms of your digestive
system that the wind and the
bloating
699
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,600
was a six out of ten, and you've now
given that a score of one.
700
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,680
Yes. Wow. So that's a huge
difference.
701
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,640
I was amazed. I didn't really know
what to expect, but it really did
702
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,600
improve, so I haven't had any
problems.
703
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,240
'Rebecca had also complained about
her energy levels,
704
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,720
'not least because she'd frequently
need extra sleeps during the day.'
705
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:38,880
Well, the energy was interesting,
because at the huge old age of 24
706
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,640
you were napping in the day!
707
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,920
It would be weird. I'd be
doing something and I'd have this
708
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,480
overwhelming feeling of tiredness.
709
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,320
It wasn't a long nap, it was
about half an hour.
710
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,960
But you still shouldn't need that.
711
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,320
But I needed it. Yeah, I needed it.
That's quite long. I know.
712
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,040
And, amazingly, that's completely
gone.
713
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,240
Yeah. I haven't napped at all.
714
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:59,560
Like, at all. Can I clarify this?
No naps!
715
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,120
'So Rebecca's confident she has
felt an improvement since giving up
716
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,160
'gluten. And John, too, reckons
he's feeling better.'
717
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,320
So, for you, John, the things that
really came up for you
was the bloating,
718
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,920
which was a seven out of ten.
719
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,280
And that's reduced right down
to a two,
720
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,600
so again a really significant
difference there.
721
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:23,160
'But John's biggest aim for the
diet was to cut his body fat,
722
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,400
'and Yvonne's weigh-in shows he has
lost four pounds.
723
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,400
'He also says he has more energy and
is sleeping better.
724
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,840
'But while it would be easy to
assume that means the exclusion
diets have
725
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,800
'worked, Yvonne says in fact often
simply keeping a food diary is
enough to
726
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,480
'help you improve your diet.
727
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,360
'So, in this case, which was the key
factor, the dairy or the diary?'
728
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,680
How much of this improvement do you
think is down to, actually,
your focusing
729
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,320
on your diet more and how much of it
do you think is actually due to the
730
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,800
lack of dairy? I think 60% focus and
maybe 40% dairy.
731
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,320
Taking dairy out just made you
a bit stricter.
732
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
So could you do it indefinitely,
733
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,640
"No more dairy for me permanently
for the rest of my life"?
734
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,480
No. I think life's too short to,
you know,
735
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,360
say no to the really good things
in life.
736
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,200
But 90% of the time I reckon
I could.
737
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,440
'Remember, John and Rebecca only did
738
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,520
'this exclusion diet under the
watchful eye of Yvonne.'
739
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,560
If anybody else is looking at this
and thinks, "Maybe I would
740
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,040
"benefit from cutting out gluten or
dairy"... Yeah.
741
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,440
..what would you say to them? Well,
742
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,800
the first stop is always check it
out with your GP.
743
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,360
If you've been having symptoms for
some time, talk them through,
744
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,240
make sure there's nothing
medically wrong.
745
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,280
Once the GP says, "No, nothing
medically wrong, on you go,"
746
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,520
then it's looking at what might be
causing the symptoms and only taking
747
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,200
out one food group at a time... Yes!
748
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,760
..because otherwise it can get
REALLY complicated,
749
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,080
and then to do what we've been
doing here - to score,
750
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,800
to have a look at the symptoms that
you're looking at improving
751
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,360
and see what number out of ten
you would give those.
752
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Keep a food diary so that you can
look back and say, "Well, actually,
753
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,680
"was it the lack of dairy or was
it just I ate better?"
754
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,480
If I'm honest, I still think
exclusion diets are a bit of a fad.
755
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,080
But after seeing Rebecca and John so
positive about how they feel,
756
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,680
perhaps I'm not quite as sceptical
as I was before.
757
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,040
That said, I'd still draw the line
at clean eating.
758
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,760
There's no way I'm swapping my
759
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,040
piece of toast at breakfast for a
bit of lettuce.
760
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,960
The papers just love a quick-fix
weight-loss plan, don't they?
761
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Especially if it's something they
can turn into a snappy headline
followed
762
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,160
by a list of tricks to tame your
appetite or secrets to shed the
pounds.
763
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,360
We've all been there once or twice.
But, as we've heard today,
764
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,040
taking on board some of those
headlines without finding out the
bigger
765
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,960
picture too could mean that you're
making drastic changes to your diet
766
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,600
that, in the worst cases,
could even be dangerous.
767
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,960
You can, of course,
768
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,040
find recipes and ideas related to
some of the things we've been
talking
769
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,760
about today and, indeed,
all of this series at...
770
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,680
And on that note, I'm afraid that's
where we have to leave it for
771
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,880
today. So until next time,
thank you very much for your company
772
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,360
and from both of us, bye-bye.
Goodbye.