1 00:00:03,780 --> 00:00:08,820 The Amish community of Pennsylvania are quiet and peaceable folk. 2 00:00:10,020 --> 00:00:12,140 And yet, five centuries ago, 3 00:00:12,140 --> 00:00:17,700 their ancestors were seen as some of the most dangerous people in Europe. 4 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:21,620 They were radicals - Protestants. 5 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:27,340 One of dozens of groups in the 16th century that tore apart the Catholic Church. 6 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:38,300 In the fourth part of this History Of Christianity, 7 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:42,540 I'll point out the trigger for religious revolution. 8 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:48,900 I'll try to make sense of the terrible wars and suffering 9 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:51,020 it ignited in Europe, 10 00:00:51,020 --> 00:00:54,100 and show why it also brought great joy and liberation. 11 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:59,340 I want to see how the old Western Church fought back, 12 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:02,580 renewing Catholicism. 13 00:01:02,580 --> 00:01:04,700 Of all the mad churches I've seen in Mexico, 14 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:08,220 this is definitely the maddest. Well, I think it's paradise. 15 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:14,420 Above all, I want to understand how a faith based on obedience to the authority of the clergy 16 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:20,100 gave birth to one where the individual is accountable to God alone. 17 00:01:37,220 --> 00:01:42,060 In 1500, the only Christianity most western Europeans knew 18 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:45,620 was the church which called itself Catholic, 19 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:48,100 the church of the Pope in Rome. 20 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:52,420 CHANTING 21 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:57,740 Its priests were an elite, 22 00:01:57,740 --> 00:02:01,980 with power to link ordinary people to God. 23 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:06,020 They showed miraculous ability in the Mass 24 00:02:06,020 --> 00:02:12,100 to turn bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. 25 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:16,860 Yet millions of Europeans were on the verge of 26 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:21,780 rejecting this Catholic Church for a very different Christianity. 27 00:02:27,060 --> 00:02:30,300 Only one thing could force such dramatic change. 28 00:02:33,460 --> 00:02:35,540 That was the power of an idea, 29 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:38,940 an idea about something which concerns us all... 30 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:43,100 ..death. 31 00:02:47,060 --> 00:02:50,820 The Bible's New Testament offers a stark picture. 32 00:02:50,820 --> 00:02:55,180 When we die, we go to heaven or hell. 33 00:02:55,180 --> 00:03:00,340 But, for us complex mortals, neither very good, nor very bad, 34 00:03:00,340 --> 00:03:05,540 the Western Church said there might be a midway stage called Purgatory. 35 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:09,540 You wait there to be made ready for heaven. 36 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:13,260 Now Purgatory is like hell in that it's not a nice place to be, 37 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:15,140 but there's a time limit on it 38 00:03:15,140 --> 00:03:17,580 and so you can do things to shorten the time. 39 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:21,700 You can give a coin to a beggar and he will pray for your soul. 40 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:25,500 People would even leave money in their wills to pay the villagers' taxes 41 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:27,700 so that villagers would pray for them. 42 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:32,500 It's a wonderfully "you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back" system. 43 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:45,980 By the 16th century, all through Europe the Church was selling certificates called indulgences 44 00:03:45,980 --> 00:03:50,620 to show how much time in Purgatory you had avoided. 45 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:54,620 The cash paid for new churches and hospitals. 46 00:03:54,620 --> 00:03:59,380 When the Pope wanted to finish the rebuilding of St Peter's Basilica in Rome, 47 00:03:59,380 --> 00:04:01,820 he launched an indulgence campaign. 48 00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:07,300 Some might think this a worthy cause but it raised big questions 49 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:12,100 in the mind of a German monk, whose views on the afterlife would change the Western church. 50 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,020 His name was Martin Luther. 51 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:23,460 Luther lived most of his life in the small town of Wittenberg in eastern Germany. 52 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:28,020 Each year on the 31st October they celebrate Reformation Day. 53 00:04:31,060 --> 00:04:33,700 It was on this date in 1517 that Luther announced 54 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:36,220 a university debate on indulgences, 55 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:40,420 which would discuss no fewer than 95 propositions or theses. 56 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:43,300 And it's said that he announced the debate 57 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:46,820 by nailing a notice to the door of this church here. 58 00:04:46,820 --> 00:04:50,980 And this, in legend, has become the start of the Reformation. 59 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:57,780 So what was so revolutionary about Luther's ideas? 60 00:05:00,820 --> 00:05:05,100 Ironically his inspiration, and so the whole Protestant Reformation, 61 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:08,820 came from the most important theologian of Catholic Christianity... 62 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:15,740 ..the fourth-century African bishop, Augustine of Hippo. 63 00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:21,060 Augustine said the Bible revealed an all-powerful God 64 00:05:21,060 --> 00:05:23,700 who alone decides our fate after death. 65 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:29,340 Luther, like Augustine before him, read the Apostle Paul as saying 66 00:05:29,340 --> 00:05:31,980 that we are saved from hell, "justified", 67 00:05:31,980 --> 00:05:35,220 not by any good deeds of our own, but by faith in God. 68 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:38,100 Now, if that is so, then the Church has no claim 69 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:41,780 to change or even influence the fate of a single human being. 70 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:44,980 Selling indulgences was wicked and useless. 71 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:04,700 Luther was reminding people that the key to salvation didn't lie 72 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:07,460 in the hands of the church, but in the word of God. 73 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:10,380 And that could be found in the Bible. 74 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:16,140 The trouble was that many ordinary people couldn't read or write. 75 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:19,780 How could they hear the message in a book? 76 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:24,700 But Luther found effective ways round the problem. 77 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:36,140 HYMN SINGING 78 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:51,820 Up until his time, most church music had been sung in Latin by clergy and choirs. 79 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:58,220 Luther wrote superb German hymns for everyone to sing. 80 00:06:58,220 --> 00:07:01,100 They helped convey the Bible's message. 81 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:13,740 I asked this church's director of music why they were so successful. 82 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:17,380 We've heard this great tune, A Mighty Fortress, Eine Feste Burg, 83 00:07:17,380 --> 00:07:19,260 which does stick in the head somehow, doesn't it? 84 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:23,380 Yes, the tune is by Luther and it brings in elements 85 00:07:23,380 --> 00:07:26,140 of the popular music of the time. 86 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:29,460 The folk songs, a little bit of a dance, like... 87 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:38,140 But big congregations couldn't do that surely, 88 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:41,220 they're not that sophisticated? 89 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,460 They did have a hard time, and the pastors complained, 90 00:07:44,460 --> 00:07:49,860 "We keep trying to sing these hymns but the people aren't singing loud enough" 91 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:52,540 or "They're not working with it." 92 00:07:52,540 --> 00:07:58,300 But what they did is they tried to get the school kids to learn them. 93 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:00,940 They were even sent into the congregation 94 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:04,580 to sit among the people and they're supposed to sing loudly 95 00:08:04,580 --> 00:08:08,580 in worship, and hopefully the others will come along with them. 96 00:08:30,340 --> 00:08:33,700 Luther had no thoughts of quitting the Church. 97 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:37,460 All he was doing was giving God back the power which was God's. 98 00:08:39,460 --> 00:08:41,940 Then he found the Church quit HIM. 99 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:49,500 The Pope felt Luther threatened the God-given authority of the Church. 100 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:53,140 So a solemn papal pronouncement condemned him. 101 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:00,620 Luther replied by burning it. 102 00:09:00,620 --> 00:09:07,540 Over the next decade, this open defiance of ancient authority was christened Protestantism. 103 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:12,780 But, in proclaiming his view of salvation, Luther risked death at the stake. 104 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:16,060 He was defying not only the Pope, 105 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:20,700 but Europe's most powerful monarch, the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V. 106 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,860 MAN PREACHES IN GERMAN 107 00:09:26,180 --> 00:09:30,460 There's a pious legend that has Luther saying to the Emperor, 108 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:34,020 "Here I stand, I can do no other." 109 00:09:38,540 --> 00:09:40,820 If he didn't say that, he ought to have done, 110 00:09:40,820 --> 00:09:43,620 because it captures the essence of his defiance. 111 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:47,500 It's a cry which I find the most compelling thing about Protestantism. 112 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:50,980 We stand alone with our consciences, we can do no other. 113 00:09:59,220 --> 00:10:03,580 Luther's message appeals to modern individualism. 114 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:06,500 A refusal blindly to accept authority. 115 00:10:08,180 --> 00:10:13,420 But it took huge bravery to defy Pope and Emperor. 116 00:10:15,020 --> 00:10:19,500 And the odd thing is that Luther also talked a lot about 117 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:23,900 obedience to the powers that God had placed in the world. 118 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:25,540 That meant a lot to him. 119 00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:32,580 So was Luther's message about revolt, 120 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:35,540 or about creating a settled, obedient society? 121 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:38,380 Well, Luther never really answered that one, 122 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:42,460 and that unanswered question remains a central problem for Protestantism. 123 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:44,380 And worse was to come. 124 00:10:44,380 --> 00:10:48,220 Luther found that other reformers refused to follow his own line. 125 00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:52,540 Here he stood - they were going to do something else. 126 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:16,260 While Luther was a university lecturer... 127 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:22,060 ..another great Reformer, Ulrich Zwingli, was a busy parish priest. 128 00:11:24,940 --> 00:11:27,260 He played out his own reformation 129 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:31,780 in one of Europe's greatest city states, Zurich. 130 00:11:34,740 --> 00:11:38,060 Zwingli always claimed that, independently of Luther, 131 00:11:38,060 --> 00:11:40,580 he discovered the central Protestant idea 132 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:44,100 that only God's gift of faith can save us from hell. 133 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:47,340 I find that hard to believe. 134 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:51,380 It would certainly be one of the biggest historical coincidences of all time! 135 00:11:51,380 --> 00:11:54,780 And it must be said that Luther and Zwingli did not get on. 136 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:56,100 We'll see why. 137 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:05,100 In 1522, Zwingli was invited to a dinner party, 138 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:08,540 where the guests ate a sausage. 139 00:12:08,540 --> 00:12:13,500 That night, the sausage became the rallying cry for a Swiss reformation. 140 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:21,540 It was Lent, when the Church told people 141 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:24,860 to show penitence for their sins by giving things up, 142 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:26,620 especially tasty sausages. 143 00:12:29,740 --> 00:12:34,060 The inappropriate sausage eating caused quite a stir in Zurich. 144 00:12:34,060 --> 00:12:36,740 Zwingli didn't actually eat the sausage himself, 145 00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:40,380 but he argued that there was nothing morally wrong with the sausage. 146 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:44,500 He pointed out that the Bible has no commandment about keeping Lent, 147 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:48,500 and he warned Zurich that the Church was sidelining God's real laws 148 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:51,260 by making such a fuss about things like that. 149 00:12:54,620 --> 00:12:59,260 Zwingli was saying that the Bible, not the Pope, carried God's authority. 150 00:13:00,460 --> 00:13:02,940 So far, so much like Luther. 151 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:06,820 But Zwingli's Reformation went much further. 152 00:13:08,420 --> 00:13:12,020 Now, here, there's no getting away from technical jargon 153 00:13:12,020 --> 00:13:13,500 to make things clear. 154 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,420 All Protestants at the time were reformers, 155 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:20,300 but it was only this non-Lutheran version of Protestantism 156 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:24,140 that came to be known as Reformed, with a capital R. 157 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:26,860 So what was happening here in Zurich 158 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:30,820 was the creation of a whole new sort of Protestantism. 159 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:45,020 The Zurich authorities felt that they had a sacred trust from God to govern. 160 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:50,260 Zwingli told them that this was what God wanted. 161 00:13:50,260 --> 00:13:54,660 That nerved the City council to take the whole church of Zurich 162 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:57,980 out of the hands of the local Catholic bishop. 163 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:03,740 And Zwingli was more than ready to tell them how to run it. 164 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:09,620 Zwingli and his colleagues re-read the Ten Commandments. 165 00:14:09,620 --> 00:14:11,820 The commandments forbid graven images, 166 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:14,060 so they tore down the images of the saints. 167 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:19,900 They even banned music for half a century and more 168 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:23,180 because beauty distracts from worshipping God. 169 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:26,620 And since the Bible nowhere tells clergy to be celibate, 170 00:14:26,620 --> 00:14:29,420 the Zurich clergy broke with half a millennium 171 00:14:29,420 --> 00:14:32,060 of Western Christian tradition and got married. 172 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:39,220 But Zwingli had one more controversial proposal that became 173 00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:42,900 a distinguishing characteristic of Reformed Protestants. 174 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:04,020 At Zurich's wealthy collegiate church, the Great Minster or Gross Munster, 175 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:09,420 Zwingli's view on the Mass, or Eucharist, transformed the heart of Christian worship. 176 00:15:14,420 --> 00:15:17,940 At the Last Supper, before Christ was crucified, 177 00:15:17,940 --> 00:15:22,660 he broke bread and took wine, calling them his body and blood. 178 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:26,220 The old Church taught that, in the Mass, 179 00:15:26,220 --> 00:15:29,380 God had given the priest the power to transform bread and wine 180 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:32,380 into Christ's body and blood. 181 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:37,100 He actually brought God physically to the people. 182 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:39,980 That gave priests astonishing power. 183 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:43,460 For centuries, they were the main gateway to God. 184 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:46,940 And the High Altar, at which they presided at Mass, 185 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:49,460 was the most sacred place in church. 186 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:54,140 This Gross Munster had been built for Catholic worship 187 00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:56,820 centuries before the Reformation, 188 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:59,580 and so the whole thing is intended "to look behind me," 189 00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:02,700 right up to that East End. 190 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,660 There you'd have the High Altar 191 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:07,500 where the Mass was celebrated day in, day out. 192 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:09,660 But you see, it's gone, 193 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:13,500 and instead everything's been pulled forwards 194 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:18,420 to where I'm standing - this extraordinary piece of Reformation furniture. 195 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:20,740 Well, it's a font for baptism, 196 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:24,940 but it actually doubles as a Communion table on the top. 197 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:27,460 And they're in the middle of the people, 198 00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:30,380 thanks to Zwingli and the Zurich Reformation. 199 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:36,020 HYMN SINGING 200 00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:49,020 Zwingli argued that the bread and wine are NOT miraculously transformed in the Mass. 201 00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:51,540 He justified this revolutionary thought 202 00:16:51,540 --> 00:16:53,340 by his reading of the Gospels. 203 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:56,620 The Bible tells us that Christ ascended into heaven 204 00:16:56,620 --> 00:16:59,500 and will not return until the Last Day. 205 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,140 He's sitting at the right hand of the Father, 206 00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:03,940 not here on a table in Zurich. 207 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:08,180 Zwingli said that breaking bread, drinking wine, are symbols. 208 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:11,340 The believer remembers that Christ died on the Cross. 209 00:17:11,340 --> 00:17:13,300 Luther's come-back to that? 210 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,220 Zwingli's wicked and crazy. 211 00:17:19,540 --> 00:17:23,620 Today, the presiding minister of the Gross Munster is Kathi La Roche. 212 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:27,260 In the true spirit of the Reformation, 213 00:17:27,260 --> 00:17:29,900 she has her own ideas about the bread and wine. 214 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:32,900 So you're the successor of Zwingli in this church, 215 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:36,260 but I just get the sense that you might not feel quite the same 216 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:37,980 about the Eucharist as them? 217 00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:42,100 No, I'm a little bit more close to Luther. 218 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:45,980 Aha! Yeah. Luther. The great enemy of Zwingli, 219 00:17:45,980 --> 00:17:51,780 you're closer to Luther. Zwingli was a very rationalistic man. 220 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:53,980 He thought with the head. 221 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:57,940 Head's everything. Yeah. And I think 222 00:17:57,940 --> 00:18:00,820 Luther was more close to the people, 223 00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:04,460 and I can feel when I give the bread to somebody 224 00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:10,660 and I say this is the body of Christ, or this is the bread of life, 225 00:18:10,660 --> 00:18:16,780 something happens between this person and me and receiving, 226 00:18:16,780 --> 00:18:20,460 and I think this is a moment where people can feel, 227 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:24,140 "Yes, he is here with me!" 228 00:18:24,140 --> 00:18:28,540 I see. So you're saying that Zwingli has this great idea of community, 229 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:31,820 but there is something which he might be missing here, 230 00:18:31,820 --> 00:18:34,980 that there's an event between God and an individual. 231 00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:38,340 I think so. And that's the insight that Luther had, 232 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:41,340 which Zwingli seems to have missed perhaps. Yeah. 233 00:18:41,340 --> 00:18:44,780 No wonder they hated each other so much! 234 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:56,620 Both reformers championed individual conscience over obedience to priestly authority, 235 00:18:56,620 --> 00:19:00,700 it's just Zwingli favoured cool, logical thinking 236 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:06,100 above Luther's insights into the more passionate depths of faith. 237 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:11,820 But the split showed up the big problem for the Reformation, 238 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:15,740 one that is still a hallmark of Protestantism - 239 00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:19,220 a tendency to sectarianism. 240 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:21,820 If you let anyone read the Bible, 241 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:26,100 then ANY idea can suddenly seem the most important. 242 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:29,060 This can be a weakness. 243 00:19:29,060 --> 00:19:32,980 It can also be a strength, a trigger for expansion. 244 00:19:34,780 --> 00:19:38,380 To Zwingli's dismay, some of those he'd inspired 245 00:19:38,380 --> 00:19:42,660 now pointed out that the Bible made no mention of baptism for infants. 246 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:48,140 So they began baptising adults afresh, 247 00:19:48,140 --> 00:19:53,180 earning themselves the nickname Anabaptists or rebaptisers. 248 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,700 Now they were not so much defying the Pope, 249 00:19:57,700 --> 00:19:59,580 but the city state of Zurich. 250 00:20:00,780 --> 00:20:05,620 In fact, they argued that nowhere did the New Testament link church and state. 251 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:08,900 In January 1525, 252 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:13,140 a group of radical enthusiasts baptised themselves in public. 253 00:20:13,140 --> 00:20:16,220 They followed it up by breaking bread and drinking wine, 254 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:18,740 and all without a single clergyman involved. 255 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:22,620 It was an open challenge. 256 00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:24,860 It was too much. 257 00:20:24,860 --> 00:20:28,180 The City Council condemned four of them to death, 258 00:20:28,180 --> 00:20:32,180 in a way suited to their crime against the waters of baptism. 259 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:35,100 They drowned them, here in the River Limmat. 260 00:20:41,180 --> 00:20:44,820 But the Anabaptists were not about to give up. 261 00:20:49,780 --> 00:20:53,460 In the hills above Zurich is the secret meeting place used by 262 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:56,620 those who fled the persecution. 263 00:20:58,860 --> 00:21:03,100 I climbed up there with Peter Dettwiler, who's a minister in the Reformed Church. 264 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:13,380 You have to imagine people coming up here with their children, 265 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:18,820 families being persecuted to gather here for services, 266 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:22,140 and I think it was a very special place for them. 267 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:32,500 The Swiss Anabaptists were soon just one 268 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:36,740 among many groups claiming to be the only authentic Christianity. 269 00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:41,380 They all survive to this day - 270 00:21:41,380 --> 00:21:45,900 Unitarians, Mennonites, Amish, Quakers. 271 00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:54,820 TRAIN WHISTLE BLOWS 272 00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:10,260 30 years after Luther's revolution, 273 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:13,100 it was not yet obvious that Protestantism 274 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:16,980 would spread across Europe, never mind the rest of the world. 275 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:24,460 It was at this moment that a young French exile brought a new dynamism 276 00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:26,780 to the Reformation, Jean Calvin. 277 00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:33,220 Calvin never wanted to leave France, Catholic persecution forced him out. 278 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:37,380 It was a sheer fluke that he fled to a city state on the edge of Switzerland. 279 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:44,860 He never much liked the place, 280 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:48,580 but he felt that God had sent him there, and you can't say no to God. 281 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:53,260 Driven, single-minded, humourless Calvin, he was such a success 282 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:56,060 that his city became known as "the Protestant Rome". 283 00:22:56,060 --> 00:22:57,900 It was Geneva. 284 00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:03,180 There is an arresting intensity 285 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:05,100 in what Calvin said about encountering God. 286 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:09,620 He spoke of believers experiencing union with Christ. 287 00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:15,180 He tends to be remembered as a killjoy, and it's true 288 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:18,980 that at one time he tried to stop the whole city of Geneva dancing. 289 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,380 But his real significance is that 290 00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:27,980 he turned the swirling confusion of the Protestant Reformation 291 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,980 into a practical and accessible guidebook, 292 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:33,820 his Institutes Of The Christian Religion. 293 00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:42,180 The former head of the Reformed Church in Geneva is now director of the city's Reformation Museum. 294 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:49,260 She looked me out a special copy of Calvin's Institutes from their collections. 295 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:51,580 Can I pick it up? Of course. 296 00:23:51,580 --> 00:23:53,220 It's a first edition, isn't it? 297 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:57,980 That's right, 1536. So...it's extraordinary, 298 00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:01,140 he's a university lecturer, late 20s? Yes, that's right. 299 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:06,820 And he's trying to rewrite Christianity or encapsulate it in a little book, isn't he? Yes. 300 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:10,660 I think that I like to understand this attempt of Calvin 301 00:24:10,660 --> 00:24:14,860 as giving to people new keys for understanding Christianity, 302 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:18,700 to interpret the Christian doctrine, 303 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:22,460 and I like to think of Reformation first 304 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:26,900 as an interpretation of the old ideas. 305 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:30,180 You use the word "new", but I think Calvin would say really old, 306 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:33,580 before medieval Catholicism, before that corruption. 307 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:37,380 Yes, but at least we have to recognise 308 00:24:37,380 --> 00:24:40,540 that he brought these new ways, 309 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:45,340 this new spreading of old ideas, so to speak. 310 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:47,980 Isabelle, it's a special delight to me to meet you 311 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:51,220 because you were the first woman successor of Calvin. 312 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:54,500 That's right. And less than 500 years after his birth? 313 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,140 Well, that's nothing, is it! 314 00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:59,940 But what do you think Calvin would have thought of that? 315 00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:03,740 Of course it was not acceptable for Calvin because he had 316 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:07,860 the ideas of his time - that women should keep in their place. 317 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:10,540 So, I don't think he would have approved, 318 00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:15,740 neither did he approve women pastors or women who wanted to preach. 319 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:18,380 So how did you approach becoming Moderator? 320 00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:24,340 I went to Calvin's grave and I put down a rose 321 00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:30,540 in memory of this life, this so important life, 322 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:35,860 but then I turned to the grave and then I said, "Now it's my turn." 323 00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:46,900 Calvin's guide spread Protestantism far beyond Geneva, 324 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,660 thanks to a particular technology. 325 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:57,340 Printing made it possible for anyone educated to read Calvin's Institutes, which they did. 326 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:04,260 His followers also used print to create a special Geneva Bible, 327 00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:08,380 carefully edited and annotated to guide their reading and interpretation. 328 00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:14,060 This is actually my own copy of the Geneva Bible, 329 00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:17,740 but this is from 1606, by which time it's a real best seller in England. 330 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:20,220 And it's more than just a book. 331 00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:21,940 It's a way of life. 332 00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:24,060 It's a way of Christian life. 333 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:28,100 You open it up and you see every chapter divided into verses, 334 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:32,140 so you can remember just a little bit and quote it. 335 00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:34,620 But much more than that, it tells you how to read it. 336 00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:38,540 All round the text, there's huge quantities of notes, 337 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:43,260 so you're told how to think as a reformed Christian. 338 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:46,620 And bound up at the back, there's something else. 339 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:53,540 The 150 Psalms turned into metrical psalms, poetry. 340 00:26:53,540 --> 00:26:57,980 And some of these psalms still survive in hymnals in churches, 341 00:26:57,980 --> 00:27:01,940 and the famous one is Psalm 100, the Old Hundredth, so called. 342 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:17,380 Geneva had become the beacon for a Protestant movement 343 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:19,460 stretching right across Europe. 344 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:23,380 Zurich and Geneva saw their Church 345 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:26,740 as the true, properly Reformed, Catholicism. 346 00:27:26,740 --> 00:27:30,300 Roman Catholics would disagree, of course. 347 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:35,020 Calvin's style of Protestantism defined itself 348 00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:37,580 by what it was against, not just the Pope, 349 00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:43,460 but to his mind, pathetically half-reformed Lutherans and mad Anabaptists. 350 00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:47,700 Reformed Protestantism was also extraordinary 351 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:51,700 in its ability to leap over the frontiers of language and culture. 352 00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:56,460 Built into Geneva's old city walls 353 00:27:56,460 --> 00:28:00,780 is a memorial to key figures of the Reformation from all over Europe. 354 00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:06,180 Standing among them is a Scotsman, John Knox. 355 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:17,620 In the Genevan church, Knox found a model to take back to Scotland. 356 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:22,460 Preaching God's word was central to worship, and this was reflected in 357 00:28:22,460 --> 00:28:28,100 the size and grandeur of the city's new pulpits, and copied far beyond. 358 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:33,260 The Genevan-style Church of Scotland out-Calvined Calvin. 359 00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:36,180 Scottish congregations might be moved to shout 360 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:39,900 cries of praise or amen in the way that we're still familiar with 361 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:42,420 in American evangelical Protestantism. 362 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:47,740 Children would be expected to repeat at home what the minister had said that morning in church. 363 00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:52,300 As a result, the Scots came to value a good education for all, 364 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:56,540 in a fashion which has never quite seized their English neighbours. 365 00:28:56,540 --> 00:29:00,580 CHURCH BELLS RING 366 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:15,620 Protestantism did come to England too, 367 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:19,540 but not in a form that John Knox would have approved. 368 00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:24,180 It took on a flavour unique in Europe. 369 00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:31,220 CHOIRBOYS SING 370 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:36,100 In 1534, Henry VIII made himself head of the Church of England 371 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,980 after the Pope refused to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. 372 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:53,500 Reformed Europe in places like Zurich and Geneva turned its back 373 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:57,740 on formal, sung services in grand cathedral settings. 374 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:05,260 But King Henry's daughter, Elizabeth I, controversially decided to keep both. 375 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:10,220 Responsibility for maintaining the sung tradition 376 00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:14,980 here at Winchester Cathedral is down to choirmaster Andrew Lumsden. 377 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:19,100 Andrew, the choir's performed Teach Me O Lord, by William Byrd, 378 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:22,260 which is one of my favourite pieces of Anglican music, 379 00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:25,820 but it also says a lot about the English Reformation, doesn't it? 380 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:30,180 Yes, one of the themes in the piece is a piece of Gregorian chant, 381 00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:33,660 which had been around for hundreds of years before William Byrd. 382 00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:35,660 It's called Tonus Perigrinus, 383 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:39,540 and you'll find it in the top of the chant with the full choir sections. 384 00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:55,220 Up until then everything had been sung in Latin, was totally unapproachable by the people, 385 00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:59,380 and one of the things was to make it sung in English so that it was approachable, 386 00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:04,340 but Byrd was very cleverly just sneaking this in to remind people of the former regime. 387 00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:07,860 That's because he's a Roman Catholic, writing for a Protestant Queen, Elizabeth. 388 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:12,100 How's she allowing this to go on? Well, that's a very good question. 389 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:16,100 I mean, she obviously had a great love of music of this nature 390 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,980 and I think probably just turned a blind eye. 391 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:53,980 But not everyone in England approved of half measures of reform. 392 00:31:56,020 --> 00:32:02,260 Puritans were austere Protestants who hated anything which suggested Catholicism. 393 00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:07,740 Under Elizabeth's successor but one, Charles I, 394 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:10,540 their anger swelled into civil war. 395 00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:17,860 Puritan soldiers fighting for the Westminster Parliament against Charles 396 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:22,940 smashed stained glass windows and any symbol of English Catholic monarchy. 397 00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:28,260 These caskets contain the bones of Anglo-Saxon kings. 398 00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:30,460 Except all the bones are in the wrong place 399 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:33,140 because Parliamentarian soldiers tore open the cases 400 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:36,980 and scattered the bones around to express their contempt for kings. 401 00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:40,660 It was all part of their campaign against ancient superstition 402 00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:43,740 and their longing to bring the New Jerusalem to England. 403 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:49,380 In the end, the Puritan commander Oliver Cromwell defeated Charles, 404 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:53,500 even executed him, and set up a Protestant Republic. 405 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,780 But the Puritans' New Jerusalem wasn't popular. 406 00:32:56,780 --> 00:33:02,580 The last straw was their effort to abolish Christmas Day for not being in the Bible. 407 00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:07,540 The Church of England was restored, cathedrals and all. 408 00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:11,540 For all the later complications of English religion, 409 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:16,220 Anglicanism became an integral part of the national identity. 410 00:33:16,220 --> 00:33:19,900 Since the Reformation, the Anglican Communion has swung 411 00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:23,300 between the poles of Catholicism and Protestantism 412 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:26,780 producing a subtle, reflective form of Christianity. 413 00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:31,180 It's the part of the Christian Church which I know best, 414 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:35,580 and I must admit that I still love it, despite all its faults. 415 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:44,220 So, now we have met a gallery of Protestantisms - 416 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:48,380 Lutherans, Reformed, Radicals, Anglicans. 417 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:55,380 The Reformation story is one of splits and persecution. 418 00:33:55,380 --> 00:33:59,300 That's what people find most difficult to understand about it. 419 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:04,100 How can you burn someone at the stake for saying that a piece of bread is not God? 420 00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:08,780 Our instinct is to feel the pain of the individual burning. 421 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:14,180 Yet this was a world with different priorities. 422 00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:18,340 They felt the pain of the whole of society if one individual denied God's truth. 423 00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:20,220 So society needed to be healed, 424 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,820 even if that meant causing hideous pain to one individual. 425 00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:26,660 People cared passionately about these matters, 426 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:29,940 and the passion was by no means all on the side Protestants. 427 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:38,780 Protestantism had already won over the North, 428 00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:41,780 and it had done well in Central Europe too. 429 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:45,220 Now, Catholics were hardly going to stand idly by 430 00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:47,860 while it gobbled up the rest of the map. 431 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:05,700 If you've heard of a Counter Reformation, 432 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:11,540 you may think it was just that - the Catholic Church's reaction to Protestantism. 433 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:15,820 In fact it began in response to a much older threat... 434 00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:20,980 ..Islam's conquest of Spain in the 7th century. 435 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:28,340 Catholic Christians hung on in northern Spain. 436 00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:31,860 For 500 years, they dreamt of reconquest. 437 00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:36,860 By the 13th century, they had fought their way back 438 00:35:36,860 --> 00:35:42,060 to Andalucia in the South, and one of its greatest cities, Cordoba. 439 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:47,220 Cordoba was a major step in the reconquest of Spain 440 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:50,540 and behind me is the biggest symbol you could have of that triumph. 441 00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:02,140 Cordoba's Cathedral is a weird building. 442 00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:07,380 The great choir and high altar are like a cuckoo in a nest. 443 00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:12,500 They are stuck right into the heart of what was once... 444 00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:15,780 ..a mosque. 445 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:29,740 This building was the greatest mosque of Arab, Muslim, Cordoba. 446 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:36,780 But, when the Catholics reconquered the city, 447 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:39,900 they seized this sacred Islamic site 448 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,340 and reconsecrated it for Christian worship. 449 00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:46,940 It shrieks Catholic triumph at you. 450 00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:01,460 Catholic Spain was obsessive about suppressing Islam. 451 00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:05,660 It was equally worried about Judaism. 452 00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:11,620 Its rulers, Ferdinand and Isabella, became the first monarchs 453 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:16,700 to run an inquisition to root out non-Catholics. 454 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:22,180 The Inquisition operated from Cordoba's old Moorish Palace, the Alcazar. 455 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:29,740 The Spanish Inquisition has had a bad press over the years for its cruelty and oppression, 456 00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:34,980 but it's worth remembering that every 16th-century system of justice was cruel and oppressive, 457 00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:40,620 and in fact overall the inquisition executed a lower proportion of suspects than most secular courts. 458 00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:49,300 What the Inquisition did do was enforce a system of racial and cultural superiority. 459 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:55,340 It added up to a militant, self-confident Catholicism, 460 00:37:55,340 --> 00:37:58,780 emerging quite independently of Protestant reform. 461 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:07,060 But eventually Rome realised it had to react to the Reformation as well. 462 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:17,020 In 1545, a Council opened at Trent in Italy to restate Catholic truths, 463 00:38:17,020 --> 00:38:19,780 and to reassert Papal authority. 464 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:32,620 This is another Church in Cordoba, and it embodies the spirit 465 00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:35,180 of the Council of Trent. 466 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:38,300 It was built for a brand new organisation 467 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:44,020 ready to do the Council's bidding - the Society of Jesus, the Jesuits. 468 00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:46,500 This is a very grand building, 469 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,660 but it's also very plain. 470 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:52,260 The early Jesuits liked plainness. 471 00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:56,220 And of course it's also very open, there's no screen here. 472 00:38:56,220 --> 00:39:01,180 There, of course, is a pulpit because Catholics can preach as well as Protestants, 473 00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:04,780 but the Catholic Church could offer much more from its tradition. 474 00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:06,980 Sitting on that High Altar behind me 475 00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:10,460 is the tabernacle, in which you keep the consecrated bread, 476 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:13,580 the body of Christ, for the faithful to worship 477 00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:15,780 whenever they walk into church. 478 00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:19,500 But more than that, his mother, Mary. 479 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,900 she is always present, a human mother who has born God. 480 00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:30,100 And she adds a femininity to worship which Protestantism rather lacks. 481 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:34,660 And you also have the confessional, a brand new invention of the Counter-Reformation 482 00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:37,940 so that you can unburden yourself of sin to a priest. 483 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,820 So what the Counter-Reformation offered you 484 00:39:40,820 --> 00:39:43,020 was a sense of companionship, 485 00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:45,940 companionship with Holy Mother Church. 486 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:49,860 This was the Counter-Reformation's answer to Martin Luther, 487 00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:52,420 Ulrich Zwingli, Jean Calvin. 488 00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,020 Far from being destroyed by the Protestants, 489 00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:04,580 the Catholic Church did what Christianity always does, 490 00:40:04,580 --> 00:40:06,460 it adapted itself in a crisis. 491 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:13,740 It eventually emerged renewed and poised to win new converts. 492 00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:21,020 This is Granada, the last Muslim stronghold to fall to the armies of Ferdinand and Isabella. 493 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:24,740 As Muslim power faded here, 494 00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:29,940 Catholic Spain and Portugal began building empires overseas. 495 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:34,580 The man you see above me is Christopher Columbus at the feet of Queen Isabella. 496 00:40:34,580 --> 00:40:38,460 In 1492, in the same year that Muslim Granada fell, 497 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:41,420 Columbus reached what we now call the West Indies. 498 00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:45,380 The Church travelled out on the same ships as his soldiers. 499 00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:50,580 Counter-Reformation Catholicism was about to become the first world-wide religion. 500 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:07,460 The first missionaries to the New World were Franciscan friars, 501 00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:10,580 desperate to spread the word 502 00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:14,140 because they believed the end of the world was coming. 503 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:18,380 Half a century later, the Jesuits followed them. 504 00:41:20,860 --> 00:41:24,300 In countries such as Mexico, these envoys of militant Catholicism 505 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:29,420 met civilisations which, to begin with, were able to fight back. 506 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:35,820 But suddenly, the native peoples began dying in thousands. 507 00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:41,740 In the words of one despairing ruler, "in heaps, like bedbugs". 508 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:46,420 It wasn't the soldiers but invisible armies of European diseases 509 00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:48,300 that did most of the damage. 510 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:56,180 Traumatised local peoples were often only too ready to turn to Catholicism. 511 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,700 Up there is the Church of Our Lady of Help. 512 00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,260 You might think it was built on a hill but in fact 513 00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:04,860 it's built on top of the largest man-made pyramid in the world. 514 00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:09,420 When Catholic missionaries came to Mexico, 515 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:12,860 they deliberately put churches on top of temples. 516 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:14,780 They placed their place of sacrifice 517 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:17,300 slap bang on top of the old place of sacrifice. 518 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:21,380 You might say, "Catholicism Rules, OK!" 519 00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:27,700 We can learn a great deal about the mindset of the Spanish conquerors 520 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,780 by taking a closer look at one of their monuments to victory. 521 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:37,420 This is the Capilla Real de Indios, 522 00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:41,580 the Chapel Royal of the Indians in Cholula. 523 00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:46,860 I paid it a visit with leading Mexican historian, Clara Garcia. 524 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:54,700 I was intrigued because it took me far away, to Spain and Jerusalem. 525 00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:10,780 It's like nothing in the Christian world, but it's like lots of great mosques in Syria and Egypt, 526 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:15,820 and of course one in Spain - the Grand Mosque of Cordoba. Do you think that's coincidence? 527 00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:20,060 No, you're quite right it's fashioned after the Great Mosque in Cordoba. 528 00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:21,380 It's got 49 domes 529 00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:25,300 and seven aisles, and it's a huge open space also. 530 00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:29,500 Actually what it reminds me of is an Islamic building in Jerusalem. 531 00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:31,900 It's the courtyard of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. 532 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,940 Now let me just run this idea past you. 533 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:37,100 This is built by Franciscans, right? Yes. 534 00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:43,300 And Franciscans at the time think the Al-Aqsa mosque is "the Temple", Solomon's temple in Jerusalem, 535 00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:48,500 so do you think they're trying to recreate the New Jerusalem of the Last Days here? 536 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:54,620 Oh, definitely, they're trying to recreate the New Jerusalem with new Christians, new Catholics, 537 00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:59,260 at the same time that the Protestant Reformation is going on in Europe. 538 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:02,580 Catholicism is losing souls to the Protestants, 539 00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,660 and here they are gaining thousands... Oh, I like that. ..of new souls, 540 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:10,460 so it's the perfect New Jerusalem with the perfect Christians. 541 00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:14,260 They win some, you lose some! Yes, in a manner of speaking, yes. 542 00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:21,420 The inside of this church seems to mirror the Mosque in Cordoba, 543 00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:23,740 the courtyard, the Mosque in Jerusalem. 544 00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:26,900 So what is this building trying to say? 545 00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:30,540 Maybe this? 546 00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:34,020 Back home in Spain, Catholic Christians had crushed Islam. 547 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:36,660 They'd turned their mosques into churches. 548 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:42,740 Now, here in New Spain, Mexico, they'd crushed other false gods and conquered their princes. 549 00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:47,260 Now what better way to commemorate that victory than in the same way, 550 00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:51,300 build the princes a church which looked like a mosque? 551 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:52,900 Just an idea. 552 00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:10,220 But after the horrors of conquest, the missionaries realised that in order to win hearts and minds 553 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:15,100 they would have to help the new converts to find joy and celebration in Catholicism. 554 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:18,380 It had to assimilate native cultures. 555 00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:23,580 Nowhere have I seen a clearer demonstration of how this was done 556 00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:27,180 than in the nearby town of Santa Maria Tonantzintla. 557 00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:38,740 Of all the mad churches I've seen in Mexico, this is definitely the maddest. Tell me about it. 558 00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:40,860 Well, I think it's paradise. 559 00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:42,340 Well, OK. It's a mad paradise. 560 00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:45,100 This is what I would imagine heaven to be like. 561 00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:50,340 Full of people, gay, angels everywhere, pretty, beautiful. 562 00:45:50,340 --> 00:45:53,620 What happens is that when the Franciscans came to Santa Maria, 563 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:57,260 it was a small village that they couldn't afford to leave a friar, 564 00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:00,340 so they would teach maybe some elders, some children, 565 00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:04,620 educate them in the Spanish language and the rudiments of Christianity, 566 00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:09,020 then leave, come back a few years later and see how Christianity was doing. 567 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:13,380 The actual villagers, the dwellers of the area, took Christianity 568 00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:17,300 and fashioned it in their own image and likeness. 569 00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:22,740 So it becomes an indigenous religion then because it's taught by people 570 00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:28,180 to people in the village. Totally, and if you look at the faces of the angels, 571 00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:30,820 they're all local faces of the time. 572 00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:53,180 When the missionaries went overseas, the Catholic Church was more than happy to mingle two cultures. 573 00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:55,380 But it was a curious sort of flexibility, 574 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:59,060 because it was flexible only about everyday religious practice. 575 00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:01,500 Now some missionaries, especially the Jesuits, 576 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:04,860 wanted to talk about the Christian faith itself in new ways, 577 00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:07,260 which would make sense in other cultures. 578 00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:11,300 But after much argument, the Church hierarchy rigidly insisted 579 00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,340 that whatever Rome had said about Christian doctrine 580 00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:16,620 must be right and could never be altered. 581 00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:25,380 A perfect example of that curious flexibility 582 00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:30,220 is the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City. 583 00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:38,820 The appearance of the Virgin Mary to a native near here was more than a miracle. 584 00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:43,740 She looks like the people of Mexico, 585 00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:48,260 which means that she, and the Catholic Church, can speak directly to them. 586 00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:53,820 But doctrinally she is still the Virgin Mother of God. 587 00:47:53,820 --> 00:47:56,420 HYMN SINGING 588 00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:05,660 It's a Tuesday and there are 8,000 people gathered. 589 00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:15,900 It's estimated that, by 1550, as many as 10 million had been baptised as Catholics in the Americas. 590 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:25,020 It was a huge morale booster for the Popes in Rome, 591 00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:28,700 still smarting from the Protestant Reformation. 592 00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:33,500 Catholics were ready to fight back. 593 00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:41,660 100 years after Martin Luther first pinned his rallying cry 594 00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:46,780 to a church door, northern Europe had become solidly Protestant. 595 00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:52,860 But southern Europe had fallen behind the Catholic Church. 596 00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:56,220 And there was a great swathe of central Europe 597 00:48:56,220 --> 00:49:01,460 where the options were still open. It was a recipe for war. 598 00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:16,580 The first battlefield was Prague, 599 00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:20,340 capital of the modern-day Czech Republic. 600 00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:22,740 At the start of the 17th century, 601 00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:28,180 Protestantism had not only taken over much of northern and western Europe, 602 00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:32,820 it even reached here, to the capital of Bohemia, 603 00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:36,500 a kingdom which was a vital part of the Holy Roman Empire. 604 00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:41,220 By now, the vast majority of Bohemians were Protestants 605 00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:43,660 and their Catholic rulers, the Habsburgs, 606 00:49:43,660 --> 00:49:47,780 had been forced to concede them their religious liberty. 607 00:49:47,780 --> 00:49:51,300 But in 1617, everything changed. 608 00:49:55,860 --> 00:50:01,020 The Catholic Habsburg Holy Roman Emperor chose one of his own family to be the next king of Bohemia. 609 00:50:01,020 --> 00:50:04,260 Archduke Ferdinand despised Protestants. 610 00:50:08,540 --> 00:50:13,380 In a pre-emptive strike, Bohemian Protestants seized the Royal Palace. 611 00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:25,740 On the 23rd May 1618, they threw two of Ferdinand's officials out of this window. 612 00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:33,740 A heap of straw just below saved their lives, but not Hapsburg pride! 613 00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:39,620 This incident has been splendidly christened the "defenestration of Prague". 614 00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:47,940 The Protestants invited a neighbouring Calvinist ruler, 615 00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:51,660 the Elector Palatine Friedrich, to become their new king. 616 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:58,100 Friedrich lasted barely a year. 617 00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:04,780 Unfortunately for Bohemia, Archduke Ferdinand became Holy Roman Emperor. 618 00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:07,180 His revenge was swift. 619 00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:17,780 In November 1620, the Bohemians, and Protestantism, were crushed 620 00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:20,540 at the Battle of White Mountain. 621 00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,660 Today the site is at the end of a tram line, 622 00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:39,660 which seems appropriate really. 623 00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:43,180 The only indication of its importance in European history 624 00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:46,540 is the nearby Catholic Church of our Lady of Victory. 625 00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:52,500 What we are looking at is the place which triggered 626 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:56,500 one of the most bitter, destructive wars in European history. 627 00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,340 It lasted 30 years. 628 00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:04,940 In his victory, Emperor Ferdinand declared 629 00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:08,820 an Empire-wide ban on Reformed Protestantism. 630 00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:15,100 Lutherans and Calvinists realised they had to come together 631 00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:18,380 to fight for the future of Protestantism. 632 00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:22,820 War overtook countries, from Sweden and Denmark in the north, 633 00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:25,220 to France and Spain in the south. 634 00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:29,100 Even Poland and Transylvania were sucked in. 635 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:38,060 In the fight, between a quarter and a third of the population of central Europe died before their time. 636 00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:45,220 It was 1648 before peace finally broke out. 637 00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:50,140 Much of Europe was a wasteland and much of Europe would never be Protestant again. 638 00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:53,780 Wars of religion didn't seem such a good idea after all. 639 00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:59,100 The Catholics managed to push Protestantism back from 640 00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:03,620 parts of central and western Europe and confine it mainly to the north. 641 00:53:06,860 --> 00:53:12,220 But the 30 Years War had a much wider significance for Christian futures. 642 00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:24,420 Persecuted Protestants took flight, not just from Prague. 643 00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:32,380 Some, like the Swiss Anabaptists, quit the Old World for good. 644 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:37,340 Maybe Protestantism could steal a march on Catholicism... 645 00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:42,660 ..in the New World. 646 00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:12,060 In 1682, an influential English Quaker, William Penn, 647 00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:15,900 secured a new colony in North America. 648 00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:19,660 His goal was religious freedom, 649 00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:23,820 not only for Quakers, but for all Christians. 650 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:30,780 Religious exiles of all persuasions flocked from across Europe. 651 00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:38,860 William Penn named this land Penn's Paradise - Pennsylvania. 652 00:54:44,140 --> 00:54:48,460 If you want to spot Anabaptists, then Lancaster County is the place for you. 653 00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:50,860 This is home to 37 distinct religious groups 654 00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:52,780 collectively known as plain people, 655 00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:55,460 all descended from the radicals of the Reformation. 656 00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:04,300 They all belong to the Amish, Mennonite or Brethren Churches. 657 00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:06,500 They keep up many old ways, 658 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:11,820 especially a fine Protestant disregard for outside authority. 659 00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:19,780 Some defy the modern world by living without things we take for granted - cars, electricity. 660 00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:27,300 I met Stephen Scott of the Old Order River Brethren 661 00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:32,580 who reminded me of that name all these folk have for themselves, the "Plain People". 662 00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:38,860 Why have the Plain People split so much? 663 00:55:38,860 --> 00:55:40,700 Well, our faith applies 664 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:45,500 to not only intangible doctrines 665 00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:47,900 but to daily living, 666 00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:51,540 so unfortunately the more there is to disagree about. 667 00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:56,500 And an important principle is nonconformity to the world, 668 00:55:56,500 --> 00:56:00,180 so where do you draw the line between the church and the world? 669 00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:03,060 You have Mennonites and Amish 670 00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:08,940 who drive horse-drawn vehicles, but in my group we have cars. 671 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:11,980 Well, this might seem a mischievous question, 672 00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:14,460 but what's wrong with the world? 673 00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:17,860 I don't just mean the 21st-century world, I mean the 16th-century world 674 00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:20,300 that the first Anabaptists refused to conform to. 675 00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:22,420 What's wrong with the world? 676 00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:28,620 There would be some basic issues, like the whole matter of pride. 677 00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:34,460 Dressing in a way that would draw attention to your body is very much discouraged. 678 00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:38,980 You would say, well, the plain people do attract a lot of attention 679 00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:40,500 by the way they dress, 680 00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,860 but it's actually little if any different 681 00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:47,100 than the principles of monastic order. 682 00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:54,380 The plain people are more than a curiosity. 683 00:56:54,380 --> 00:56:58,260 They tell us a great deal about what would have happened 684 00:56:58,260 --> 00:57:02,980 if the small Jewish sect from Galilee had not adapted. 685 00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:05,700 Yes, it may well have survived, 686 00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:09,260 just like the plain people, into the 21st century. 687 00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:13,340 Clinging to tradition can help in that way. 688 00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:15,740 But it would never have spread... 689 00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,060 ..and become a world religion. 690 00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:22,860 The refusal of the plain people to change their ways 691 00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:26,340 meant it wasn't they who would turn America 692 00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:30,340 into a great powerhouse of world Protestantism. 693 00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:48,420 In the next programme I'll be looking at how a tiny, persecuted group of Bohemian Christians... 694 00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:53,260 ..transformed Protestant fortunes. 695 00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:58,420 They sparked religious revivals that swept across Britain... 696 00:57:59,780 --> 00:58:01,060 ..America... 697 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:03,300 Africa... 698 00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:05,340 and Asia. 699 00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:10,980 Protestantism was about to outstrip the missions of the Catholic Church. 700 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:18,380 Why not take part in the Open University's online survey, 701 00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:23,340 what does it mean to be a Christian today? 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