1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,960 How much can you see here? How's the tie? Hey! 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 A Friday afternoon in June last year. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,560 This thing has changed so many times, I'm just reading what you want me to read. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:18,040 A titan of Wall Street prepares to address his staff in New York, London and around the world. 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:22,960 HE ROARS He wants to put an end to rumours that the firm is in trouble. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,360 Crisis? What crisis? 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,480 Every one of you should feel confident and proud. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,040 Our firm is strong today. 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,160 And we will emerge from this cycle even stronger. 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,800 We've done it before. 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,160 And we will do it again. 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,960 12 weeks later, the bank went bust. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,240 REPORTER:Lehman Brothers suffering a spectacular downfall... You should go to jail right now! 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,920 This is the inside account of what caused a Wall Street giant to collapse. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,800 This is really stupendous this has happened. 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,960 I think, in the history of business in the last 50 years, 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,720 it was the most extraordinary weekend there has been. 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,640 It was the biggest bankruptcy in history and the tipping point into global recession. 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,280 Lehman was a seminal moment in the sense that it illustrated 20 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:19,200 these two big problems that if we didn't solve, things would get a huge amount worse. 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,520 The panic that followed hurt us all as mortgages dried up. 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,640 Stock markets tumbled and businesses went to the wall. 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:36,280 So why did one bankruptcy have such catastrophic consequences for the world? 24 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:40,000 I don't think any of us easily anticipated that we would see 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,880 the sort of financial panic that we saw after the failure of Lehman Brothers. 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,000 So this has been an extraordinarily serious set of events. 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,240 We did not have those tools coming into the crisis and I think that was 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,920 a tragic mistake for the United States and the rest of the world. 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,200 This is what really happened at the tipping point of the crash in 2008. 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:06,440 Those who were there on the inside tell the story of the weekend that changed the world. 31 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,680 When America's treasury secretary arrived in New York 32 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,000 a year ago this week, he faced a dilemma. 33 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,440 Hank Paulson, the man in charge of US economic policy, had flown up from Washington 34 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:37,240 because Lehman Brothers, one of Wall Street's oldest investment banks, was haemorrhaging money. 35 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,440 Should he keep it alive with a cash injection, 36 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,200 or let the markets take their course? 37 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,280 And if he let it go bust, what would be the consequences for the global economy? 38 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,960 With only an hour's notice, he summoned the chief executives of America's leading banks - 39 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,680 the so-called "masters of the universe" - 40 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,440 to a crisis meeting. 41 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,920 So, it was Friday afternoon. 42 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,840 I was in Merrill's midtown offices. 43 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,720 It was raining quite hard. 44 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,320 I got a phone call at 5:00pm. 45 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,440 "Be at the Fed at 6:00pm this evening." 46 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Those types of phone calls are always bad. 47 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,600 And this was just about as bad as it gets. 48 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,560 I think it was me who used the word "Armageddon". 49 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,480 "This is going to be Armageddon." 50 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,400 The Fed, the New York Federal Reserve, the stage on which 51 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,920 the crisis played out, is round the corner from Wall Street. 52 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,480 The granite fortress is a symbol of American economic might. 53 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,920 I don't think there was a person there who didn't understand, 54 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,800 at least to a large extent, the stakes we were playing for. 55 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,880 We had a conference room there. 56 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,000 I had been told that the chief executives 57 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,640 of most of the Wall Street firms were there as well. 58 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,000 But apparently there was another floor and other conference rooms. 59 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,040 We were trying to do our part. To do what was being asked of us 60 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,320 with a sense of the clock ticking. I'll probably never have a weekend quite like it. 61 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Lehman may post another ¤2.5 billion write-down on home loans in the third quarter. 62 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:34,680 For months, Wall Street had been worried about Lehmans because of the bank's massive property investments. 63 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,280 With the crash in the market, it was now dangerously exposed. 64 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,240 Shareholders were dumping stock and other banks were withholding credit. 65 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:46,960 REPORTER: Lehman has lost ¤6.5 billion so far this year. 66 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,360 The bank's share price had been dropping since May. 67 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Lehman shares have been down sharply. 68 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:56,480 But in the last ten days, it had been in freefall. 69 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,520 By that Friday afternoon, it was losing more than ¤8 million a minute. 70 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Confidence in the bank was evaporating under the glare of the media spotlight. 71 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Has the market given up on Lehman? We knew Lehmans was in trouble. 72 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,600 Remember, there's a constant traffic between our Treasury 73 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,960 and the US Treasury, between the regulators. 74 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,680 During that time, I spoke to Hank Paulson regularly. 75 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,840 And on the Friday evening, we knew that they would have to do something about Lehmans. 76 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,520 # It's a beautiful day... # 77 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:33,560 In the last few months, the fallout from the sub-prime mortgage crisis and the collapse in house prices 78 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,400 had forced the US Treasury to bail out one bank and America's two biggest mortgage companies. 79 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,200 Many assumed the authorities would do the same again. 80 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,160 But the presidential election was weeks away. 81 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:53,440 On the campaign trail, the cry went out, "It's Main Street, not Wall Street, that matters." 82 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,840 So when the bank chiefs assembled that Friday evening, 83 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,720 it was clear from the start there would be little sympathy from the Government. 84 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,760 It was really Hank Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, and Tim Geithner, 85 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,800 the head of the New York Fed, who really were running the meeting. 86 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,960 And they said to us, "This is the problem. 87 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,560 "Lehman needs to be rescued. 88 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,280 "You have to come up with a solution. 89 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,200 "And we, the Government, are not going to help." 90 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,960 As the leaders of Wall Street wrestled with what to do about Lehman Brothers, 91 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:35,960 across town at Shea Stadium, the home team, the Mets, were trailing to the Atlanta Braves. 92 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,600 It was not a good omen. 93 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:45,000 With no government bail-out, two of Lehman's rivals were eager to swoop. 94 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,920 The first was Bank of America, one of the largest banks in the United States. 95 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,120 And the other was a British outsider - 96 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:58,080 Barclays, keen to expand across the Atlantic. We had our eyes open. 97 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,920 We had a good opportunity of taking a very careful look at the books. 98 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,600 We deployed a big team in New York, under Bob Diamond. 99 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,400 We certainly didn't know what we were going to find 100 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,520 completely in due diligence, but I can tell you for sure, 101 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,480 we wouldn't have boarded the plane 102 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:19,480 in a situation as serious as the markets were in if we weren't very serious. 103 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,440 It was very clear that this was going to be a seminal event in the history of the credit crunch. 104 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:41,120 Few ever imagined that America's fourth-largest investment bank would fall so far and so fast. 105 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Its earlier success was largely down to one man, a larger-than-life figure, 106 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,120 who was proud to call himself a "Lehman lifer". 107 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:56,320 In 1966, 20-year-old Richard Severin Fuld Jr 108 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,160 arrived in New York to work as an intern at Lehman Brothers. 109 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,160 When he finished university, the bank snapped him up. 110 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Dick Fuld was driven and good at what he did - 111 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,480 very good. 112 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,080 Steadily and determinedly, he worked his way up...to the top. 113 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,200 In 1993, he was appointed chief executive. 114 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Under him, Lehmans evolved and grew from a traditional investment bank, raising money and managing mergers 115 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:34,880 and acquisitions for clients, to using borrowed money to play the markets itself. 116 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,680 I must tell you, having been with Lehman Brothers for 24 years, this is my only job. 117 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,520 When I started off 118 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:43,800 I was lower than low. 119 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,800 Thinking that I would stand here today and to give this address to my people, I am thrilled. 120 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,400 The new boss had one simple ambition - 121 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,040 to overtake his rivals - 122 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,640 Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs. 123 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:02,480 Lehman Brothers will eventually inherit the heritage 124 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,000 and the tradition that will let us stand alone and conquer all the people that stand in front of us. 125 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,200 That's what I want Lehman Brothers to be. 126 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,360 Basically to crush our enemies like this! 127 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:22,280 Dick Fuld was to become the longest-serving chief executive on Wall Street. 128 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:28,560 He strode like a colossus through his domain and his reputation preceded him. 129 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Within the firm, he had god-like status. 130 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,840 This was a man who was clearly in charge. 131 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,680 And clearly had a vision 132 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:43,200 for the business. Would you want to get into an argument with Dick? 133 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Absolutely not... 134 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:51,360 unless you were totally solid on the grounds you were arguing. 135 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,120 He wouldn't even acknowledge anybody. 136 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Most of the time, I'd say "good morning" or "hello" to him, and you'd get a response back 137 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040 but it was almost like he built a wall up around himself. 138 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,000 The other employees felt the same way. 139 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,880 They wouldn't even speak to him. 140 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,440 They'd ride in the elevator in total silence. 141 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:20,280 Fuld built up a network of over 60 offices around the world, employing more than 28,000 staff. 142 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:26,800 When Lehman Brothers opened a grand new European headquarters at Canary Wharf, 143 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,000 the bank had truly arrived. 144 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,840 Let me formally declare this new building open. 145 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,280 Thank you very much. 146 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Dick Fuld's unorthodox style of leadership 147 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,600 meant he was admired and feared in equal measure. 148 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Dick took the floor like a statesman and proceeded to deliver this fearsome attack 149 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,960 on short sellers, the people who were depressing Lehman's share price 150 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,800 by being short of stock. 151 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:02,240 And he, rather to everyone's surprise and mystification, he said... 152 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,840 If we get this right today, 153 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,440 we'll squeeze some of those shorts... 154 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,800 ..and squeeze 'em hard. 155 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,520 LAUGHTER 156 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:17,240 Not that I want to hurt 'em. 157 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,280 Don't get that, please, cos that's just not who I am. 158 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,800 LAUGHTER 159 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,360 I'm soft. I'm lovable. 160 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:34,040 But what I really want to do is, I want to reach in, rip out their heart and eat it before they die! 161 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:39,840 APPLAUSE Dick Fuld also had an insatiable appetite for profits - 162 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,120 with or without fava beans. 163 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,040 And he delivered. 164 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,000 In 1994, one share cost ¤4. 165 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:55,160 As the economy boomed, by 2007 that investment was now worth ¤82, 166 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,400 a 20-fold increase. 167 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,880 And how had the bank done this? 168 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:05,200 By expanding into lucrative new products as the market became less regulated. 169 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,480 Highly complex products, including credit default swaps, 170 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,880 a kind of insurance against borrowers defaulting on loans. 171 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,040 Risk was the name of the game. 172 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,840 As a trader, you take risks to make profits. 173 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,000 The more risk you take, the more money that you're playing with, the more profits you can make. 174 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,640 In the case of Lehman Brothers, 175 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,280 Dick Fuld essentially said to our head risk-taker 176 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,640 in commercial mortgage-backed securities, 177 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:35,080 "You gotta take more risk. Risk, risk, risk." 178 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,840 And that risk leads more to the bottom line. 179 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,040 I think Wall Street found, but also a lot of other people believed, 180 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,720 that modern finance was a form of alchemy. 181 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,120 That it was a way of taking risk 182 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,160 and distributing it very widely, 183 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,400 so widely that the overall system was de-risked. 184 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,040 And this built up a sense of false confidence in the markets. 185 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,720 And for the staff who signed up to Dick Fuld's credo, 186 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,040 along with the bottom line came rewards which were life-changing. 187 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,360 In a good year, as I had in 2006, I made more than ¤30 million. 188 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,600 That gave me more than a ¤1 million bonus 189 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,280 and I know traders who made ¤10 million in a year, in a good year. 190 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:22,320 But those type of traders made north of 100, 150, ¤200 million for the firm. 191 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,480 In 2004, Lehman's turnover was ¤11.5 billion. 192 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:33,160 It rewarded its staff over 5 billion in pay and bonuses. 193 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,000 By 2007, turnover had almost doubled, 194 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,800 with staff collecting more than 9 billion in pay and bonuses. 195 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,440 And top of the pile was Dick Fuld. 196 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,400 From the year 2000 to 2008, 197 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:52,360 he took home between 310 and ¤500 million. 198 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,320 The precise figure is disputed. 199 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,360 Now, at the Fed on that Friday night last September, 200 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,880 the rivals Dick Fuld had boasted of crushing 201 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,120 were sitting in judgment over him. 202 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,120 He had not been invited to the crisis meeting of chief executives. 203 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Even some on his own side felt his combative nature would be an unhelpful distraction. 204 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,000 After the bank chiefs had left the building, their accountants 205 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,440 and lawyers carried on working through the night. 206 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,240 The smell of stale pizza and unwashed bodies 207 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,920 is not all that appealing, 208 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,000 but you learn to live with it as part of the business. 209 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,280 But...the intensity was... 210 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,680 at a much higher pitch than is normally the case 211 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,000 because the stakes were just so high. 212 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,440 They were carrying out due diligence - 213 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:57,040 going through Lehman's accounts to piece together an accurate picture of the bank's finances. 214 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,240 To be frank, we had trouble getting traction 215 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,360 and it was clear to us that the management of Lehman Brothers 216 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,160 were spending an awful lot of time 217 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,120 with at least one other firm going through due diligence. 218 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680 And so we got off to a slow start. 219 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,840 That was because Lehmans was giving its attention to that other suitor. 220 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Bank of America was the favourite to buy the ailing investment house. 221 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,360 There were highly-profitable parts of Lehman Brothers 222 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,720 like the investment division, which they wanted to salvage. 223 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:33,200 But when its advisers started going through Lehman's accounts, what they found appalled them. 224 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,720 Although we were expecting 225 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,520 not to be very happy with what we saw, 226 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,400 it was worse than we expected. They calculated the property crash 227 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,360 had left a massive hole in Lehman's balance sheet. 228 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:52,120 Just a month before, the bank had said its portfolio was worth ¤40 billion. 229 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,320 Now it had fallen to around 25 billion. 230 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:03,000 They might have paid ¤100 million for a property, and on their balance sheet 231 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,960 it says it's worth 100 million but the reality was it was worth 50 million or 25 million. 232 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,720 And when you start adding all those losses up from this property and that property and so on, 233 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,920 it ended up adding up to a very big number, 234 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,520 a number that was so large, the losses were so large, that it 235 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:24,720 really meant the company was bankrupt unless it got support from the US government. 236 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,120 But the man in charge of the US Treasury, Hank Paulson, 237 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,880 had already made clear that was not an option. 238 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,120 What happened next took everyone by surprise. 239 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:56,120 The following morning, most New Yorkers were oblivious to the drama playing out down in lower Manhattan. 240 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,000 And as the morning went on, the stakes got higher. 241 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,280 Dick Fuld was still counting on Bank of America making him a proposal, 242 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,120 but was about to learn that his suitor had a roving eye. 243 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,000 John Thain, the chief executive of Merrill Lynch, 244 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,960 was the new kid on the block, but he had his own problems. 245 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,440 Merrill Lynch's share price was going down because investors were 246 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:31,640 selling, fearful of how exposed this bank also was to the property slump. 247 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,640 So when he returned to the Fed on Saturday morning, 248 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,480 he took a particularly close interest in the predicament facing his rival. 249 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Watching Lehman's representative wilt under the pressure, 250 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:49,520 he began to fear attention might next switch to his own troubled bank. 251 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,760 Seeing him and understanding 252 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,360 the emotional drain of what was happening to him, 253 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,680 and then knowing that, on Saturday, 254 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,360 it was likely they were going to go bankrupt so all of their efforts were going to fail, 255 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,920 in some ways reinforced with me that I didn't want to be that person a week later. 256 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,080 So he grabbed the chance to save his own bank. 257 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:21,680 And so from my perspective, the problem no longer became 258 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,560 how to save Lehman because I assumed Lehman was gonna go bankrupt. 259 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:32,680 It became, "What does that mean for the financial markets and what does that mean for Merrill Lynch? 260 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:38,560 "And how do I make sure that I protect Merrill Lynch's shareholders and Merrill Lynch's employees 261 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:44,200 "and Merrill Lynch's clients so that Merrill Lynch isn't in a similar position a week later?" 262 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,800 He decided to contact Bank of America's chief executive, Ken Lewis, 263 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,000 at home in North Carolina, and made him an audacious offer. 264 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,240 I stepped out of the building and actually stood 265 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,400 on the sidewalk, on the street, and called Ken from my cellphone. 266 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,200 The conversation was relatively short and I said to him that I thought 267 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,800 it made sense for us to explore some strategic options. 268 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,200 He said, "Great, I can be in New York in a couple of hours." 269 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,400 All bets were now off. 270 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,800 It was everyone for themselves. 271 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:27,240 As Bank of America's boss was flying north on his secret date, Dick Fuld had no idea he'd been dumped. 272 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:33,160 Excluded from the Fed, he had spent the morning holed up in Lehman's midtown HQ. 273 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,720 Dick would occasionally ask, "Have you heard anything back 274 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,400 "from Bank of America?" 275 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,920 We still found it difficult to believe they had disappeared. 276 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,320 And the answer, of course, was always no. 277 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,560 Just a few blocks away, John Thain began to hammer out a deal 278 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:58,280 with Bank of America's chief at a discreet hideaway by Central Park. 279 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:04,960 It was a corporate apartment, so it was not that different from a hotel room. And it was pretty stark. 280 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,560 And it was just the two of us - just the two of us, talking. 281 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,640 To Ken Lewis, Merrill Lynch was a much more attractive proposal. 282 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,520 It was proof of the Wall Street maxim, "kill or be killed". 283 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,800 By late afternoon, the jilted Lehman's team were trying hard to put on a brave face. 284 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:31,880 Late Saturday afternoon, there was a slip of the tongue in 285 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,760 a meeting that I was at at the Fed, which led me to conclude that 286 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,160 Bank of America was definitely talking to Merrill, 287 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,040 as well as my inability to get calls returned. 288 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,240 So I called Dick and said, "I'm very worried that this is accurate." 289 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,920 And he said, "I can't believe it." 290 00:20:53,960 --> 00:21:00,920 And there was an adjective which I will not repeat, or an adverb, I guess, before "believe it". 291 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,920 It was a whirlwind romance. 292 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Two days later, Bank of America announced it had bought Merrill Lynch for ¤50 billion. 293 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:18,040 The combined company is a much stronger entity and will survive most anything. 294 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,840 So, having been stood up, Lehman now had only one potential suitor. 295 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,640 Mid-afternoon on Saturday came. 296 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,960 We had a very positive sign. We got moved into a much bigger conference room in the Fed 297 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,920 and there was a sign on the door that said "buyer". 298 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,840 So we had a feeling that one of the other banks 299 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,320 that had been looking at the transaction 300 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:39,960 probably wasn't there. 301 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,600 The teams from Barclays and Lehman 302 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,480 were edging closer to a deal. 303 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,840 REPORTER:The man nobody wants to be right now 304 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,520 is the longest-serving CEO on Wall Street. 305 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,760 Dick Fuld faces his biggest challenge to date by far. 306 00:21:53,800 --> 00:22:00,360 Still up in his midtown office, just along from Times Square, Dick Fuld was now a helpless bystander, 307 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,200 as others decided the fate of the bank he had led for so long. 308 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,280 Now all the hopes rested on Barclays. 309 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,320 So it was a real disappointment, but it was buffered to some extent, 310 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:20,400 because Barclays seemed a lot more interested than they had previously. 311 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,560 How different it all seemed nine months earlier. 312 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,960 Lehman Brothers were celebrating the end of a record-breaking year. 313 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,280 It made over ¤4 billion profit. 314 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,120 And the reason for this success? 315 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,200 Bricks and mortar. 316 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,800 Both Presidents Clinton and Bush had championed home ownership. 317 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,560 PRESIDENT GW BUSH:Our government is supporting home ownership 318 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,320 because it is good for America. 319 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,960 It is good for our families. 320 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,640 It is good for our economy. 321 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,280 American house prices had risen steadily since the Second World War 322 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,440 but had rocketed after 9/11, when interest rates were slashed. 323 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:15,760 The boom was fuelled by loans with tempting introductory rates being offered to ever more risky clients. 324 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,360 The so-called sub-prime mortgage scandal was born. 325 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560 We got to the point where they created mortgages 326 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,600 that were known as "NINJA mortgages" - 327 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,720 "no income, job or assets" - 328 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,440 relying solely on the appreciation of housing prices. 329 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,480 Mortgage rates are still near 20-year lows. 330 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,000 Homeowners, refinance now with almost no paperwork. 331 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,560 If you're a homeowner who's ready for some financial relief... 332 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,120 But the real money for Wall Street banks came not from selling mortgages to homeowners, 333 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,520 but from trading bundles of these loans among themselves and other institutional investors. 334 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:01,520 It's that easy!These bundles were labelled as high-quality, low-risk assets by the banks. 335 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:08,560 By 2007, Lehmans was the largest underwriter of real-estate loans in America. 336 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,080 It was a great machine. 337 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,200 The risk involved in the machine was 338 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,000 that investment banks were supposed to act as distributors. 339 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,840 They were supposed to be in the removal business. Dick Fuld used to say this - 340 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,960 "We're in the removal business, not the storage business." 341 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,400 Across Wall Street, and in the City of London, there was a growing assumption 342 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,840 the financial wizards had been able 343 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,480 to eradicate risk. 344 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,120 OK, Mommy, I'll take the house. I think there was a general view around the market place 345 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,240 that the sophistication of 21st-century financial markets 346 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,120 had enabled different sorts of risk to be taken 347 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,960 by people who really knew what they were doing. 348 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560 There was, if you like, a bit of a fool's paradise. 349 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,120 That was not specific to Lehman. 350 00:24:54,160 --> 00:25:00,080 That was a market belief that somehow or other everyone had cured the problem. 351 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,560 And that false sense of confidence led Lehman Brothers to do something 352 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,280 other more cautious banks shied away from. 353 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,560 It borrowed more and more money. 354 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:18,400 By August 2007, for every ¤1 the bank owned, it was borrowing up to ¤44. 355 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,240 It's called leverage. 356 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Whilst most of their competitors, like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, had a leverage ratio 357 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:31,360 in the 20s or low 30s, Lehman's was much higher. 358 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,240 When I got to Lehman, our leverage was 20 to 1. 359 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,120 And when I left, it was 44 to 1, 360 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,480 top max. That means we had a relatively small amount of capital 361 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,400 relative to the amount that we owed. 44 to 1. 362 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,400 Real dollars that we have, 363 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,360 and massive dollars that we owe. 364 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,800 It used this borrowed money to play the property market. 365 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,600 By 2007, it was investing ¤60 billion in commercial property - 366 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,280 hotels, shopping centres and residential developments around the world. 367 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,960 But while leverage multiplies profits when prices go up, 368 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,400 it also multiplies losses if prices fall. 369 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,440 And that's what happened in 2007. Why? 370 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,160 A growing number of the people who had been seduced by those cheap introductory mortgage rates 371 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,520 couldn't keep up with the payments when the rates increased. 372 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,200 Repossessions rocketed and house prices slumped. 373 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,400 The sub-prime crisis exploded on the world. 374 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,920 Welcome to Bakersfield, California. 375 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,000 It's not quite the kind of place one would imagine as a luxury destination. 376 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,280 But that's what Lehman Brothers hoped it would become. 377 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,920 It loaned ¤78 million to a developer with plans to build 378 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,680 thousands of new homes in the scorching Central Valley. 379 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,280 HORN BLARES 380 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,440 I just heard about it. It wasn't a large focus on the desk 381 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:23,160 but you thought to yourself, "Jeez, this is a little aggressive for a firm our size." 382 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400 The advertising promised McAllister Ranch 383 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,400 with its golf course, man-made lake and beach, and beautiful homes, 384 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:41,160 where dreams become reality and where the good life truly begins. 385 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600 But this oasis was a mirage. 386 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,600 Nothing beside remains. 387 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,200 It's a victim of Lehman's bankruptcy and the downturn in the property market. 388 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,280 Here's a picture of the lake - 389 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,120 what it was supposed to look like when it was finished. 390 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Other pictures, someone enjoying the lake. 391 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,520 We were contracted to build block walls around the project. 392 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,240 I believe it was close 393 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,920 to 20 miles of wall, if we were to finish the whole contract. 394 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,160 As you can see, the walls are quite long. 395 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,600 That wall right there is approximately three miles long. 396 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,760 John Scripter is still owed around ¤1 million for unpaid work. 397 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,880 It was the decision to invest in commercial developments like these 398 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,240 that was to be the tipping point for Lehman Brothers. 399 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:45,160 The bank invested aggressively in the property market at its peak, but couldn't get out before the crash. 400 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,160 In essence, Lehman loaned money to McAllister in the short haul and then 401 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,600 tried to syndicate and sell the syndicated loans globally. 402 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:59,320 When you can't sell it and share the risk, then it becomes a lead weight on your balance sheet over time. 403 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,040 We really just didn't have that much bread, that many dollars, 404 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120 to hold on to an asset like this over a longer period of time. 405 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560 It really became a lead weight. 406 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,120 And to Dick Fuld, the architect of Lehman Brothers' grand designs, 407 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:19,720 that lead weight must have seemed heavier by the hour as the weekend ticked away. 408 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,800 CHURCH BELLS RING 409 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,360 Sunday morning in New York 410 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,600 started with a sense of optimism. 411 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,120 The favourite, Bank of America, may have walked away, but Barclays was still in the game. 412 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,960 As a precaution, Lehman Brothers had called in America's most famous bankruptcy lawyer, 413 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,280 just in case the unthinkable happened. 414 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,400 But even he thought a deal would be struck before the day was out. 415 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,720 When I came down Sunday morning, 416 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,400 as I was driving down, 417 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,680 I was thinking that I might be out 418 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,000 about three or four in the afternoon 419 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:07,680 because I had some other things to do. I was actually thinking that this might be a fire drill - 420 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,880 there's going to be a deal 421 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,160 and they'll announce it sometime this afternoon 422 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,560 and then I'll be free to go 423 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,040 and do the things I had planned to do that Sunday. 424 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,720 That's how the day started. 425 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:26,720 At the Fed, negotiations had been going on through the night and a deal looked close. 426 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,680 We had been in a conference call with our board in London and I was on the call from here. 427 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,000 It was around nine-thirty or ten when we finished the board meeting, 428 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,720 Sunday morning, New York time. We were feeling cautiously optimistic. 429 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,640 I think somebody said there may have been a handshake on a deal, 430 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,840 and that it had to be run through the FSA in London. 431 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840 There was a belief, even an assumption, 432 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,680 that Lehmans was too big, too important, to be allowed to fail. 433 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,040 By now, the media were catching on to the story that something big was happening at the Fed. 434 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640 At this point, all the main players were inside, 435 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,160 and I basically just photographed anything that came out of the garage. 436 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,720 As soon as that gate goes up, we start shooting, 437 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,120 looking for anything, any kind of movement, anybody in a suit. 438 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,080 We don't know who we're looking for. Once we do see them, I can't recognise them 439 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,240 because they're not like Paris Hilton. 440 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,240 These people are not celebrities, 441 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,480 so for me, I'm shooting anybody in a suit 442 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960 and then I figure I'll figure it out later. 443 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,320 One CEO did not have tinted windows and he shielded his face with his hands and it was just very telling 444 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640 that here are the titans of business, 445 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,880 who are lauded and had been lauded, 446 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,760 shielding their faces, perhaps ashamed. I don't know why they were doing that. 447 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Lehman Brothers CEO Dick Fuld is backed into a corner, to say the least. 448 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Fuld has very few options left. The stock, in a freefall. 449 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,440 A lot of things perhaps a bit too late for Lehman in terms of owning up... 450 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,600 Here we go. 451 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,840 The bank and its boss had had a difficult relationship with the media. 452 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,960 Shares of Lehman Brothers have fallen 12% in the last week. 453 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,880 Three months earlier, when the press and news channels were full of reports 454 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,760 questioning the health of Lehman Brothers, Dick Fuld had railed against them. 455 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,960 I'm also so tired of looking at my ugly picture in the goddamn newspapers. 456 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,880 But the source is close to the firm. 457 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,280 It could be a little hot dog guy who stands on the corner. He's close to the firm. 458 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:39,080 I think we in the media do not and are not responsible in any way 459 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,720 for causing a run on the bank. I think that's absurd. 460 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280 I think some people want to blame the messenger. 461 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,960 But at the end of the day, you're talking about institutions 462 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,840 that made choices to lever their balance sheets 30 or 40 times. 463 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960 Nobody in the media was forcing them to do that. 464 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,680 They should have known better. 465 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,640 And the SEC is investigating four rumours that circulated about Lehman Brothers over the past two months. 466 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,240 But Dick Fuld thought the constant reporting 467 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,120 of Lehman's plunging share price was creating a downward spiral. 468 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,600 We've got to close it down. I make a joke out of it, it's no joke. 469 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,440 This has got to end. 470 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,080 The leakage hurts us. 471 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,080 That's where the rumour mill comes from. 472 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,960 That's where the misinformation comes from. 473 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,840 We have a communications division, 474 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,240 it's got to be controlled there. 475 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:49,560 Anybody outside of that is not authorised to talk to the press. Period. 476 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,520 But the man who was authorised to talk to the press 477 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,080 found defending the firm to be a thankless task. 478 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,600 The atmosphere was quite surreal and also very unpleasant because 479 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,360 there was this very well-entrenched view among senior Lehman people 480 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,480 that the outside world was agin it. 481 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,640 But when it came to it, the story was, 482 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,040 "Does Lehman have the wherewithal to get to the other side?" 483 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,120 And they were right to ask the question 484 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,480 and we were not able to provide the answers. 485 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,680 Back at the Fed, Barclays was now close 486 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:28,240 to making an offer for Lehmans, 487 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,600 but, like Bank of America before it, 488 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,160 the British bank wanted guarantees for Lehman's debts so it could open for business the next day. 489 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,360 Who would underwrite the deal? 490 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,080 The American authorities? The British? 491 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,320 No-one seemed to have an answer. 492 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,920 The tone of the conversations was beginning to change 493 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,960 and you could hear in the voices 494 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,440 of the Lehman representatives 495 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,080 a higher level of doubt that things were going to work out. 496 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:09,280 There was deadlock. Lehmans and Barclays had come so far and were so close to a deal, 497 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,960 but couldn't seal it without a guarantee in place. 498 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,440 The telephone calls across the Atlantic were strained. 499 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,760 Midway through the Sunday afternoon, 500 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,000 we, the FSA, informed the New York Fed 501 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,520 categorically that from our perspective, 502 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,040 we couldn't see how this deal could go forward 503 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,720 given that they were not willing to offer any liquidity guarantees. 504 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Lehman would be cut loose, unless Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson authorised the guarantee. 505 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,600 The teams of advisers were summoned. It was now or never. 506 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,840 We were asked to come to the main floor, 507 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440 where the group of major banks 508 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,400 was closeted behind these very heavy doors, and we were asked to wait. 509 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040 We spent hours waiting there. 510 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:11,640 The tension was palpable, as behind closed doors, Hank Paulson was on the phone to London. 511 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,920 The fate of Lehman hung on this call and time was running out. 512 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,840 The markets in Europe would open in 12 hours. 513 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,040 If the bank wasn't rescued by then, it would be too late. 514 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,280 I spoke to Hank Paulson on the Sunday afternoon and he said, 515 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,000 "Your regulators are asking hundreds of questions." 516 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,200 I made the point that they're asking them 517 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:34,920 with very good reason. 518 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,720 Eventually, Treasury Secretary Paulson came out and made an announcement. 519 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,280 The British government was not prepared to let Barclays continue with the transaction. 520 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880 I don't know what actually went on 521 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,480 but that's what we were told. 522 00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:00,360 And we asked the Secretary whether there were certain things we could 523 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,600 do and his statement was, "I'm not going to cajole 524 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,880 "or plead with the British government, nor am I going to 525 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,720 "in any way threaten the British government in terms of our relationship." 526 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,320 I think the Americans recognised that, 527 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,240 and knew that by Sunday afternoon our time, the game was up. 528 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,520 We couldn't get ourselves into a situation 529 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,760 where effectively we were guaranteeing an American bank. 530 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,520 To be absolutely, categorically clear, 531 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200 the FSA did not stop the Barclays deal. 532 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:36,040 Barclays never brought us a deal. 533 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,640 Barclays never negotiated a deal that they thought was satisfactory 534 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,440 from their own point of view and therefore never proposed any deal to us. 535 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,200 We were quite prescriptive about what was going to work 536 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,800 and what wasn't going to work. 537 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,800 What we wanted was not available, so we walked, end of story. 538 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,040 Having worked on this for a number of days, and having been pretty positive 539 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,800 about if we could get all the pieces lined up, I was gutted. 540 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,320 In the end, the sand had run out of the hourglass. 541 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,080 Nothing would work at that point. 542 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,880 It was beyond Dick, it was beyond Lehman, 543 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,200 it was beyond all of us. It was a decision for the United States. 544 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,800 Rodgin Cohen now had the unenviable task of reporting back to Dick Fuld. 545 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,920 There would be no knight in shining armour. 546 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,000 The British weren't coming. 547 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:36,280 It was as difficult a call as I've ever made in my life. 548 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,880 He said, "This is just unbelievable. How can this possibly be happening?" 549 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,480 We spent a few minutes 550 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,840 going back over the same ground 551 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:53,480 and then he shifted to, "Is there anything else we can do?" 552 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,640 With both Bank of America and Barclays having walked away, 553 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,520 it was time for Plan C. 554 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,200 There was no Plan C. 555 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:12,480 This was the first time he really, to me, lost his composure a bit. 556 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,720 Because now death was imminent. 557 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,960 Lehman's bankruptcy lawyers were summoned to the Fed 558 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640 and ushered into the main conference room. 559 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,880 We were told there wasn't going to be a Barclays transaction. 560 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,760 Therefore, Lehman should be prepared to go into bankruptcy. 561 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,080 Then suddenly they said, "by midnight". 562 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,360 And my response was, "I don't understand what you're doing. 563 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,440 "Could you explain what the reason is for this action?" 564 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,000 They were saying, "We really don't have to explain the reason. 565 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,240 "You need us to finance you and we're not going to finance you unless you go into bankruptcy." 566 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,440 That's pretty compelling. 567 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,080 Then the conversation changed to, 568 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:06,240 "You," we're speaking to the assemblage, "do you understand what the consequences 569 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,160 "of this decision are 570 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,080 "and what's going to happen to the marketplace?" 571 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,840 They said, "We'll take care of that." 572 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:22,280 Treasury officials were confident the fallout from the collapse of Lehman would be containable. 573 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,560 News of the impending bankruptcy had already reached London. 574 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:33,680 There will be no money coming from New York for the bank to open for business the following morning. 575 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:39,680 So, it was absolutely clear the advice was that Lehman UK had to file. It was insolvent. 576 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,320 It was not going to be in a position to pay its debts. 577 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,520 That reality had to be grasped 578 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,800 and there were polar reactions to that. 579 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,280 There were the lawyers and the accountants, 580 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040 who turned their minds to the practical challenge 581 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:02,960 that now had to be met of organising the filing and thereafter dealing with the consequences of it. 582 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,680 Then there were the commercial managers, traders and so on, 583 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,440 who just couldn't believe that this was going to happen, 584 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,640 and couldn't focus immediately 585 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,200 on what the consequences of that might be for the business or for themselves. 586 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,760 They were just completely stunned by it. 587 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,200 WOMEN SINGS OPERA 588 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,760 As an open-air performance of Offenbach started in Brooklyn, 589 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,760 across the water at the Fed, it was all but over. 590 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:51,240 We were basically told to get out as we were going down to the garage. 591 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,200 We were standing in the elevator and we said, 592 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,000 "I don't think they like us." 593 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,760 They basically threw us out. 594 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,800 And it's a very serious situation. 595 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,560 There was a very sombre, sad voyage, 596 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,160 if you want to call it that, 597 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,240 going back to Lehman. As we approached the Lehman building, 598 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,360 it was like pandemonium on 7th Avenue. 599 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:26,040 I remember there was an odd-looking man there, with a spear saying, "Down with Wall Street." 600 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,000 I said, "This is going to be some evening." 601 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,840 REPORTER: We await word on the fate of the 158-year-old firm Lehman brothers... 602 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,280 We are a minute from midnight in terms of outright catastrophe. 603 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,760 We're a heartbeat away from a depression. 604 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:51,120 Dick Fuld was waiting for them, up on the 31st floor. When we went into the boardroom, 605 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,680 you could tell without a lot of deep thought 606 00:42:55,720 --> 00:43:01,360 that Dick Fuld was very concerned, 607 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,800 very worried, and I would say, very depressed. 608 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,920 Dick asked me, "Are you telling me it is over?" I said, "Yes, Dick. 609 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,160 "I have nowhere else to go. I'm out of options. 610 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,440 "I can't think of anything else to do." 611 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,440 He said something like, "Well, we really gave it every effort. 612 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,120 "I still can't believe it." 613 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,880 I saw a man sitting there sort of saying to himself, "I don't understand how this happened. 614 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,720 "Where did we go wrong?" 615 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,120 Behind closed doors, a final throw of the dice. 616 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:49,560 It so happened that a second cousin of President Bush worked at Lehman Brothers. 617 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,000 Could the Commander in Chief succeed where central bankers had failed? 618 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,720 What took place remains a matter of dispute. 619 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,280 Larry McDonald was told about it by colleagues who were there, 620 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,400 although the story is denied by George Walker. 621 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,160 They've tried everything and they kind of all gather around George. 622 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,280 There was some hope that he'd reach out to the President, and in essence 623 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,160 we'd go around Hank Paulson 624 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,200 and give our message of potential worldwide financial destruction 625 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,960 that Lehman would cause, directly to the President. 626 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,480 The President is his cousin but to reach out to the White House 627 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,800 under duress is a very stressing situation for everybody. 628 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,760 He was in a sweat and finally he agreed to make that call to the White House. 629 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,840 RINGING TONE 630 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,240 The operator put him on hold, which to the people in the room seemed just like an eternity. 631 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,880 And as the seconds ticked by, everybody was more tense. 632 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,200 Everybody's pulses and heartbeats were racing a little bit more intently. 633 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,680 Finally, the operator came back to the line. 634 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,760 And she said, "I'm sorry, the President cannot take your call at this time." 635 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,400 There was just a real horrific blood-curdling feeling in the room 636 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520 of potential destruction and despair. 637 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,200 Dick Fuld and the board of directors had one last task to perform - 638 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,440 pass the resolution winding up the bank. 639 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,240 It was dark out - very dark out. 640 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,680 Dick Fuld looked up, clearly a man that was in turmoil, 641 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,080 and said, and he looked at me and said, 642 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,520 "I guess this is goodbye." 643 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:50,520 After 42 years at Lehman Brothers, Dick Fuld was out of a job. 644 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,800 At their peak, Lehman shares were worth ¤85 each. 645 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,200 They were now worth 3 cents. 646 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,400 Finally, in the middle of the night, the bankruptcy lawyers had completed the preparations. 647 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,320 They were ready to file the petition. 648 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,320 It's like sending an e-mail. So, at 2am, when that started, 649 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,080 most of us were drained of emotion 650 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,600 and yes, we filed it. 651 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,280 It was the end of an institution 652 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,640 which was one of the originators of Wall Street 653 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:36,120 and here it was, all coming to an end by pressing a button on a computer. 654 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,640 Sad in many respects. 655 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,000 REPORTER: Wall Street has seen very few days like this. 656 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,120 The mortgage crisis has now taken down Lehman Brothers, right behind... 657 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,920 ..There were others who were simply devastated. 658 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,400 Lehman Brothers suffering a spectacular downfall... 659 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,280 NEWSREADERS SPEAK IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES 660 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,880 This is really stupendous that this has happened. 661 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,480 When it collapsed on the Sunday night, that did send shockwaves throughout the world 662 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,040 because people thought, "If they can go down, who else can go down?" 663 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:42,920 Lehman Brothers was the largest bankruptcy in history -ten times bigger than Enron. 664 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,200 The impact of the bankruptcy around the world was unparalleled. 665 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,840 Lehman's web of global transactions were hugely complicated and few really understood them. 666 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:07,480 So with the banking world already jumpy, panic spread as institutions feared how exposed they might be. 667 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,960 Lehmans illustrated this huge problem. 668 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,200 The level of impaired assets or bad loans in the system 669 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,920 was so high that even recognised institutions 670 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:26,040 in America were being put at risk, and secondly, that Lehmans was entangled in such a complex way 671 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:32,040 with other institutions that whatever happened to one institution was bound to have an effect on the other. 672 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,160 Lehmans was a seminal moment in the sense that it illustrated these 673 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,960 two big problems that if we didn't solve, things would get a huge amount worse. 674 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,880 5,000 staff worked at Lehman's European HQ in London. 675 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,840 When they arrived that morning, many discovered they were out of a job. 676 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,360 It was like a scene of a bombing and a family bereavement all rolled into one. 677 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,560 I went up to the management floor and everybody was sitting around 678 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,720 with their heads literally in their hands. 679 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,400 A lot of them had red eyes and black bags under them. 680 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,560 They had been there all weekend and all night. 681 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,560 I was told there had been a meeting of staff suddenly convened 682 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:18,440 that morning in which the head of the European operation had said, "It's all over, go home." 683 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,160 Some people just burst into tears and just didn't know how to cope with it. 684 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,200 Other people were on the phone to the head-hunters straightaway, 685 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:32,520 and you kind of had the best and worst of human instinct raise its head, 686 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,680 as these situations tend to. 687 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,480 There were certainly people who felt they were on the lifeboat, 688 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,320 they had something sorted out for themselves. 689 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,440 But they weren't going to let anybody else on that lifeboat. 690 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:50,080 They were going to sail off and leave you to sort yourselves out. This is a CNBC special report. 691 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,000 The fall of Lehman Brothers...A seismic story on an historic day... 692 00:49:54,040 --> 00:50:00,320 As the start of trading approached, the financial world waited anxiously to discover what would happen. 693 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,160 From Monday morning at Treasury, we were watching the markets very carefully, 694 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,800 in constant communication with market leaders 695 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,480 about what was happening once they ultimately filed for bankruptcy. 696 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,520 It obviously turned out to be very bad. 697 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,800 It was worse than we had feared. 698 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,840 While the credit markets basically shut down two days later on Wednesday, 699 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,320 the real depth of the damage was not seen for weeks or even months. 700 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,240 As I describe it, 701 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,680 the housing market damaged our financial system, which then damaged our economy. 702 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:38,680 This crisis is what caused the severe recession that we're in right now. 703 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,160 We had a deluge of communication. 704 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,080 In fact, I had something in the order 705 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,080 of 5,000 e-mails that day. 706 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,520 Our switchboard at the firm was blocked, the switchboard at Bank Street was blocked. 707 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,760 There was a massive communications problem because everybody wanted an immediate answer. 708 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,440 I've never experienced that before and I'm sure I won't again. 709 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:07,200 We were getting calls from not just banks and commercial banks, we were getting calls from 710 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:12,080 large American businesses, blue-chip businesses, saying they couldn't fund themselves, 711 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,160 they couldn't make their payroll or fund their inventory. 712 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,160 These are some of the best American companies that have very little to do with financial markets 713 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,200 saying they can't access the basic funding they need to pay their employees. 714 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,560 The intensity of this period was unlike anything we'd seen before. 715 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:34,640 By the end of Monday's trading, ¤700 billion had been wiped off the global stock markets. 716 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:40,200 The Dow Jones, the leading stock exchange index, had plummeted 500 points. 717 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:45,280 It was the biggest fall in a day since 9/11. 718 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,160 Money markets around the world froze up because the collapse of Lehman 719 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:54,920 destroyed the confidence banks need to lend to each other. 720 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,680 And over the four-week period, the 28 days between the failure of 721 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:03,680 Lehman Brothers and the announcement of recapitalisation packages 722 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,480 for banks around the world in October, 723 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,600 there was an extraordinary loss of confidence. A panic, I would call it. 724 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:17,160 Good afternoon, everyone, and I hope you all had an enjoyable weekend. LAUGHTER 725 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,520 The fall of Lehman Brothers brought the global financial system to its knees. 726 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,200 And still the debate goes on - 727 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,320 should the US Treasury have stepped in to save the bank? 728 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,440 I never once considered that it was appropriate 729 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,840 to put taxpayers' money on the line in resolving Lehman Brothers. 730 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,520 Historians will debate 731 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,400 for years 732 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,880 about whether, if the US government had rescued Lehman Brothers, 733 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,960 whether there would have been a greater degree of financial stability. 734 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:56,080 My own view is that the US government had to draw a line in the sand, not least to make everyone in 735 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,720 the world, world governments and central banks, focus on the fact that there was a massive problem. 736 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,800 I believe that allowing Lehman Brothers to go bankrupt 737 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,320 was a tremendous mistake. 738 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:20,520 The amount of money it would have taken, 20 billion, 30 billion, 739 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:27,080 compared to the destruction in value that followed the Lehman bankruptcy 740 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,840 and the complete shutdown of the credit markets, 741 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,960 the billions and billions and billions of losses 742 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,680 that were experienced in the market subsequently. 743 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,240 When the Federal Reserve lends money - 744 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,440 they can loan money to financial institutions - 745 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,080 the law requires the Fed to be secured, so that they're not taking much risk. 746 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:54,000 And so in the case of Bear Stearns, they lent ¤30 billion against a pool of mortgages. 747 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,560 In the case of Lehman Brothers, the question is, "What assets could they lend against?" 748 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,480 The tragic thing for the US was that 749 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,880 we came into this crisis without an adequate set of tools 750 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,480 to withstand and protect the economy 751 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,240 from the acute stress you saw in the financial system. 752 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,560 The constraints we faced at Lehman were one example of those kind of constraints. 753 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,280 We shouldn't have been in that position. That's why it's important we move more quickly now 754 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,880 and we're moving very quickly. We're still in the midst of a severe economic crisis globally 755 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,480 and yet we're going to move with comprehensive regulatory reform, 756 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,920 while we're still trying to get recovery back on track. 757 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,760 That's a symptom of the importance we attach to trying to put in place reform. 758 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,080 It was something that shouldn't have happened. 759 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,960 Two days after the bankruptcy, 760 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,400 Barclays Bank got what it wanted all along. 761 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:50,040 It sealed a deal to buy the bulk of Lehman's North American assets for ¤1.75 billion. 762 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,800 It was a bargain - much less than they would have paid had the bank been solvent. 763 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,680 I think all of us would say this is something that we never expected, 764 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,200 that we could actually combine with a US bulge-bracket firm. 765 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,080 I don't use the word transformational lightly. 766 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,640 This transaction was transformational. 767 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,880 But for many backroom staff, there was no happy ending. 768 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,760 Two weeks after that, I got a letter - 769 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,080 Federal Express - to my house, from Lehman Brothers, stating that 770 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,080 they were no longer honouring my severance agreement. 771 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:28,080 Everything has been taken away. So that really sent me into a tailspin. 772 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,280 It was like, "How could they do that after 20 years of service?" 773 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,400 Now I have absolutely nothing. 774 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,840 A month later, Dick Fuld made his first and only public appearance, 775 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,400 summoned to Washington to account for the disaster at a Congressional hearing. 776 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,640 Don't you have anything to say to the people that are watching us right now, 777 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,040 that are wondering why this has happened? 778 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,120 You have nothing to say?Are you going to be in the testimony? Absolutely.Good. 779 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,400 'I wake up every single night...' 780 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,080 Please wait till then. 781 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,800 ..thinking, "What could I have done differently?" 782 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:13,600 In certain conversations, "What could I have said? What should I have done?" 783 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,960 And I have searched myself... 784 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,440 every single night. 785 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,080 I thought he should have apologised. 786 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,680 I think he didn't confess to anything. 787 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,000 He made it sound like he personally, Dick Fuld, did not 788 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,120 cause the collapse of the firm, like he denied everything, that it 789 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,240 wasn't his fault. I don't think he was honest. 790 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,040 ' I can look right at you and say, "This is a pain 791 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,960 ' "that will stay with me for the rest of my life." 792 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,800 'That's all.' 793 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,320 You belong in jail, you criminal! 794 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,200 You should go to jail, right now! 795 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,880 Dick Fuld may yet be called to account in court. 796 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:05,520 The former chief executive has been subpoenaed in numerous civil cases which allege the bank misrepresented 797 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:10,920 and overvalued its assets in the months before the collapse. 798 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,600 He declined to be interviewed for this documentary. 799 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,600 Lehman Brothers was the catalyst for the crash of 2008. 800 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,320 Those who were there on Wall Street that weekend say what brought this American giant down 801 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,680 was the love of money. 802 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,560 It was greed and hubris that led to the fall. 803 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,280 The bankers soared so high for so long, 804 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,920 they thought they were invincible 805 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,920 but they were flying too close to the sun. 806 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,760 When I went to college, I learnt in Economics 101, 807 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,560 you do not finance long-term investments with short-term money, 808 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,560 and that's what happened. 809 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,280 And I believe it happened because 810 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,520 greed took over 811 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,800 and the returns were so big, and so many people were making so much money, 812 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,760 that they lost all fear. 813 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,800 And risk did not become a factor in doing anything. 814 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,920 'And that was the real dilemma.' 815 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,560 All right, thank you, all. 816 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,560 MICROPHONE CRACKLES 817 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,560 OK. 818 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,040 Next week - what caused the greatest financial crisis 819 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,800 since the Depression? 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