1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Here in Stratford-upon-Avon there is just no escaping him. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Shakespeare tat. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Shakespeare, not as Bard, but how the mighty have fallen, as a brand. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,000 And there is always more to come. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Next year, brace yourself for the great man's 400th anniversary. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Shakespeare has been such a towering figure for 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,000 so long he has all but eclipsed the other great playwrights of his age. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 And so, for this, my edition of Artsnight, 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,560 I want to ask this question: 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,280 What about all the other extraordinary, witty, 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,920 talented risk-taking dramatists of the Renaissance stage? 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,360 What about Marlowe, Webster, Ford, Middleton, Johnson? 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,040 Men who didn't necessarily think like William Shakespeare, who were 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,920 less transfixed by kings and queens and hierarchy, more interested in 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,760 the day-to-day lives of the English around them, and therefore were 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:05,280 writing the soap operas of Elizabethan and Jacobean stage. 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,680 Sex romps, domestic tragedies. 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,760 If, in some parallel universe where the great figure of 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,200 the Bard had somehow vaporised, and we saw our own past through their 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,080 eyes, how different would it feel? 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,520 Right now, the RSC and Shakespeare's Globe in London are reviving some 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,960 of these other playwrights at a festival of Not Shakespeare, 23 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:32,200 because the Bard was never alone. 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,680 We are used to the idea of Los Angeles as the place where film 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:43,200 is being developed now. 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Think that London was exactly the same when theatre began to 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,080 get underway on the South Bank. 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,080 All sorts of dramatists from all over, 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,640 creating a new style of writing. 30 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,520 One playwright, born 20 years after Shakespeare, mostly forgotten 31 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:08,840 by history and being rediscovered right now, is John Ford. 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,960 John Ford is one of the most underestimated 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,200 playwrights of the age. 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,800 He was born in Devon, a bit younger than Shakespeare, and he specialised 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,600 in intense psychological thrillers on subjects like adultery, incest, 36 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,400 and witchcraft. 37 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,040 For John Ford, the great motivator in human life is the sex drive. 38 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,760 And for centuries he was written off as a bit melodramatic, 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,320 a bit too much. 40 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,480 But now a group of actors, directors and academics are 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,160 determined to bring John Ford back to the modern stage. 42 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Shakespeare's Globe is dedicating a whole season to this virtually 43 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,120 unknown playwright. 44 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,120 Today actors are gathering in the Sam Wanamaker Playhouse to 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,560 start rehearsals on Ford's bizarre tragicomedy, The Queen. 46 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Could we have all the guys in the first scene on. 47 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Ford was writing during the reign of Charles I, an age of courtly 48 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,080 decadence, and in the theatre of extravagance and sensationalism. 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,200 The poison of a flatterer's tongue, is a thousand times more deadly 50 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,000 than the twinges of a rope. 51 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,960 Fie! 52 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,120 Do you rail on your friends thus? 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,120 The theatre's profanity and edgy realism would prompt 54 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,760 the Puritans to close them down altogether a decade later. 55 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,400 Save for one play, Tis Pity She's A Whore, Ford's work 56 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,240 has never come back into fashion. 57 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,320 Until now. 58 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,560 At The Globe, the actors are getting a crash course in Ford. 59 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,640 They are mounting five of his plays in as many days. 60 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,640 And they have just six hours from first readthrough to stepping out on 61 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,720 the stage for a live performance. 62 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,760 Apparently it's the way it used to be done quite a lot. 63 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,840 You got the script on the day in Shakespeare and John Ford's day. 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Things were quite impulsive and straight up rather than 65 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,160 considered, over four or five weeks like we do nowadays. 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,840 Come in. 67 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,760 Stay, execution. 68 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,360 It is Her Majesty's pleasure. 69 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,000 The Queen is the tale of a woman-hating rebel, 70 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,240 condemned to death for plotting to kill the Queen. 71 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Strangely, she falls in love with him just before his 72 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,000 execution, pardons and marries him. 73 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,600 You are sorry for your late desperate rudeness, are you not? 74 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,280 I am not sorry. 75 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,360 Nay more, will not be sorry. 76 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,280 Know from me, I hate your sex. 77 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:47,760 It's a darkly humorous play that speaks to Ford's most unusual mind. 78 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,760 Ford is a dramatist whose very interested in mental health, 79 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,080 if you like, in modern terms. 80 00:04:54,080 --> 00:05:01,320 He's very sympathetic to people who have odd, unusual mental conditions. 81 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,080 You have characters who are melancholy, who have weird 82 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:11,200 delusions, peculiar sexual tastes. 83 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,440 And this is not seen as something that one looks at 84 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:20,360 and shudders, but rather that one as an audience tries to understand. 85 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,280 Meanwhile, in Stratford, the Royal Shakespeare Company is 86 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:30,320 staging Ford's Love's Sacrifice, in the first known public 87 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,160 performance in 400 years. 88 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,080 A tale of jealousy, betrayal and bitter revenge, it tells the 89 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,680 story of a rich duke whose wife and best friend fall for each other. 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,240 It's classic Ford - sex, yes. 91 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Gore, you bet. 92 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,920 But also real psychological insight. 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,960 If anybody has ever felt love or jealousy or ambition, then they are 94 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,800 there, depicted in Love's Sacrifice. 95 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,520 I think John Ford is a really interesting playwright. 96 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:14,400 His obsession with the extremities of human psychology, Tis Pity She's 97 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,160 A Whore is a play about incest. 98 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Here is a play about excessive jealousy. 99 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Ford's genius lies in his characters, 100 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,640 such as the clownish nobleman, Mauruccio, played by Matthew Kelly. 101 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,920 This fantastic coat, look at this. 102 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,320 It looks like my mam's lounge curtains, this. 103 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,160 It probably could be, actually. 104 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,840 Isn't that fabulous? 105 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,880 You don't think my bum looks big in this, do you? 106 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,120 Kelly's character is a comic fool, related somehow to 107 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,560 Shakespeare's Malvolio, Ford gives him real complexity and heart. 108 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,080 He's a big, daft nelly, really. 109 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,880 I don't know why they picked me! 110 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,440 But I'm digging very deep for that, obviously. 111 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,520 But I did understand that part. 112 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,560 And actually, strangely, he is the silliest man in it on the surface, 113 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,400 but in actual fact he turns out to be the most moral and is the only 114 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,480 one to actually have a happy ending. 115 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,480 I don't want to spoil it for anybody else, but it gets pretty 116 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,680 intense and pretty tragic. 117 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Back at the Sam Wanamaker Playhouse, six hours 118 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,720 after the first readthrough, the audience is arriving for the 119 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,920 performance of Ford's The Queen. 120 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,840 She goes upstairs. 121 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,440 But the actors are far from ready. 122 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,080 Let him come back on. 123 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Come back on. 124 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,960 They are still rehearsing the final act. 125 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,560 We are going now?! 126 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,440 We are live in five seconds. 127 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Thank you. 128 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,520 It is madness, obviously. 129 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,600 You could say it is incompetence, or you could say it's managed manic 130 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,920 nonsense. 131 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Given that we have five hours to rehearse a 21,000 word play with 15 132 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,080 characters, that's just the way that it works. 133 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,560 APPLAUSE. 134 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Rascal, cannibal, that feedest on men's flesh. 135 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,000 Pray, pray heartily gentleman. 136 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 As I live, and by this hand now... 137 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:30,880 LAUGHTER. 138 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,160 Queen, here quaffed my blood like wine. 139 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,080 Alas, poor man. 140 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,240 APPLAUSE. 141 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,240 So what do the audience make of John Ford's The Queen? 142 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,080 It was a bit Pythonesque in a way, the way the language just cantered 143 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,160 along, and yet sometimes it kind of horrifies you by doing things 144 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,600 it's not supposed to do. 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,600 You feel Shakespeare would be more proper. 146 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,160 It was good it was completely unpolished. 147 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,480 It's nice to see them something quite raw. 148 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,040 Some of the comic performances were fantastic. 149 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,680 They don't really fit into modern ideas 150 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,840 of psychological consistency, they veer in all sorts of directions. 151 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,880 I enjoyed it hugely, but I still think it's a very odd play. 152 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 So, Ford, with his emphasis on sex and extreme emotional conditions is 153 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,400 very different from Shakespeare. 154 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,520 Ben Johnson, a much bigger figure, focuses his attention 155 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,800 on satirising society as a whole. 156 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,360 A chippy, rough edged, intellectually brilliant, 157 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,880 working-class Londoner, Johnson assaulted the nouveau riche. 158 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,080 Anger thrums through his plays and coloured his private life. 159 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,840 A soldier, he narrowly escaped hanging for killing a man in a duel. 160 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,240 In his day, Jonson's sharp edged writing was adored. 161 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,840 He was the first playwright to publish 162 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:16,840 his collective works and he was buried here at Westminster Abbey. 163 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,800 The great mystery about Ben Jonson is why he's not better known today. 164 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,160 In his lifetime he was just as famous as Shakespeare, 165 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,200 if not more so. 166 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,440 His gritty, urban satires are saturated with the language 167 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,200 of the street and revel in the ordinary lives of common people. 168 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,360 A lifelong fan is Sir Trevor Nunn, the celebrated director, 169 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,760 whose production of Jonson's Volpone, opens here at the Royal 170 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Shakespeare Company in Stratford. 171 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Sir Trevor Nunn, best known as a great Shakespearean 172 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,840 director, and for blockbuster musicals like Cats, once ran the 173 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,880 RSC, and back in 1986 he was pivotal in creating The Swan Theatre. 174 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Its special job is not Shakespeare, to put on plays 175 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,720 by other Renaissance dramatists, and it's at The Swan that he is now 176 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,440 returning with Jonson's Volpone. 177 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,600 I met Sir Trevor in the airy rehearsal room above its stage to 178 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,680 talk about the remarkable Ben. 179 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,360 A London boy coming from quite a poor background, 180 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,000 the language he uses is the language of the London streets. 181 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,400 I would say Jonson's language is an extraordinary mixture 182 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,280 of two extremes. 183 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,880 He was brought up by a stepfather who was a bricklayer 184 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,560 to whom he became apprenticed. 185 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,000 And then a kind of miracle happened in Jonson's life. 186 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,720 He managed to get a place, I suppose some sort of scholarship 187 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,080 place, at the Westminster School. 188 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,960 And he did a great deal of classics, and that never left him. 189 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,360 And therefore, in every Jonson play, there is a 190 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,760 huge amount of classical allusion. 191 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,720 And yet, it is combined with street slang. 192 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,440 A lot of Jonson's language is even more 193 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,240 conversational than Shakespeare. 194 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,440 And a very, very different character as well. 195 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,560 As we have alluded to, almost slightly chippy, perhaps, 196 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,080 about his background. 197 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Very, very proud of his learning. 198 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,360 Confrontational. 199 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,240 I'm sure Jonson was a handful. 200 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,080 I'm sure that he could be abrasive. 201 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:17,520 And some of the anger, the accusatory anger in his plays, was 202 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,040 drawn from his personal life, or tipped over into his personal life. 203 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,560 Anger is central to Volpone, a dark satire about 204 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:33,960 a wealthy man who is obsessed with gold, and wants to get even richer. 205 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:42,120 Good morning to the day, and next, my gold. 206 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:48,720 Hail the world's soul, and mine. 207 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,240 Volpone comes up with a scam to con his rich and equally 208 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,800 greedy clients out of more money by feigning his own death. 209 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Probably Ben Jonson's best-known play, and an absolute cracker, 210 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,520 what is it about Volpone that particularly attracts you now? 211 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:10,400 I think Jonson wrote that play as a confrontational piece. 212 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,640 I think he wanted to be addressing his audience direct 213 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,080 on the subject of greed. 214 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,440 And as we all well know, the subject of greed is not just still with us, 215 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,880 it's even more present than ever. 216 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,640 And it's extraordinary how much of the language seems still to 217 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,960 relate to the crises that make front-page news at the moment. 218 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Because this is a play in which everybody is parasitical 219 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,880 on everybody else. 220 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,120 Yes, but he's already a very wealthy man. 221 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:50,240 And the people who he's tricking, are all of them very wealthy. 222 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,000 So it isn't about, how do I come by a bit of money in this life? 223 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720 It's about, I must have more. 224 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,200 And therefore I must have more than other people. 225 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,640 I must have the most. 226 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:10,960 Jonson was, yes, exaggerating, yes, placing believable people 227 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:16,240 in exaggerated, comedic situations, but with a real intention of getting 228 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:24,120 people to think in a way that says, "We need to change this, don't we?" 229 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,400 So enormously ambitious, in fact. 230 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:32,280 Yeah, he's definitely a social reformer, and in Volpone vastly so. 231 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:41,160 He's writing about greed and a sense of contemporary London. 232 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,840 And this is early capitalist London, 233 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,840 just as we now have late capitalist London, in some respects. 234 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,800 Very late. Very late, yes. 235 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Sir Trevor Nunn, thank you very much indeed. A pleasure. 236 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,080 So, again, nothing like most of Shakespeare, 237 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,840 Jonson's plays satirised the moneyed classes of the day. 238 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Other Renaissance dramatists concentrated their work 239 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,840 on a different group - women. 240 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,640 One of the joys of Renaissance plays 241 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,520 is that they are brimming with fantastic female parts - 242 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,360 young women, old woman, good women, bad women - 243 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,200 and the likes of Ford and Webster went even further 244 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,440 than Shakespeare in taking the tragic heroine 245 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,680 and thrusting her to the forefront of their dramas. 246 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,360 By the early 17th century, playwrights such as John Webster 247 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,680 were even giving women the title role. 248 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,840 So we are forced to express our violent passions 249 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,720 in riddles and in dreams... 250 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,600 Here, Gemma Arterton is seen playing the Duchess of Malfi 251 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,160 as unassertive and sexually confident heroine. 252 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,280 as an assertive and 253 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:56,240 Here, upon your lips, I sign your Quietus est. 254 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,520 In a recent RSC production of Webster's The White Devil, 255 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,720 set in modern times, the lead role is a feisty woman 256 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,520 arrested for murdering her husband after conducting an illicit affair. 257 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:15,040 I scorn to hold my life at yours, or any man's entreaty, sir! 258 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,480 I think what we see in the Jacobean repertory 259 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,960 is the role of female characters becoming much more prominent. 260 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,960 They are women who are expressing their will, 261 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,880 expressing their desires, their sexual desires, 262 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,640 how they want to live, who they want to live with, 263 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,960 trying to break out of the sort of patriarchal structures 264 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,320 that are telling them how to live their lives. 265 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,000 And unfortunately, in the tragedies, 266 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,720 it always ends up that they end up paying for it. 267 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,480 And in Ford's Love Sacrificed, the lead female gets her comeuppance 268 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,360 for falling in love with her husband's best friend 269 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,080 and ends up murdered by her spouse in cold blood. 270 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,920 In the face of death, she remains defiant and unrepentant. 271 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,360 The actor Catrin Stewart, best known for her work in Doctor Who, 272 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,840 has relished playing this 17th century role, 273 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,680 a woman who is nobody's sidekick. 274 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,440 There's this amazing scene with the Duke, her husband, at the end, 275 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,560 which I love performing, because it's so modern, 276 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,880 the language is so easy and free, 277 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,520 and she just completely puts him down and provokes him. 278 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,160 And she says, "Thank heaven he was so slow as not to wrong sheets, 279 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,760 for as I live, the fault was his, not mine." 280 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,840 And then that drives him wild, and it's really quite powerful 281 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,600 to perform every night, I love doing it. 282 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,400 She has this feistiness and strength that is able to just put him down 283 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,680 like that, I mean, it's amazing, 284 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,360 and the thought changes and all these different tactics she uses. 285 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:56,200 And he does eventually kill her because she has provoked in so much, 286 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,560 and she's willing to die for the man she loves. 287 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,360 The role of women in Renaissance theatre 288 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,200 is the subject of a special workshop at the San Wanamaker Playhouse, 289 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,440 the Globe's replica Jacobean theatre. 290 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,160 The very first theatres were open to the air, 291 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,520 but in the 1600s indoor playhouses like this opened across London - 292 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,240 an innovation that helped bring more women into the audience 293 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,560 and female roles to the stage. 294 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Indoor theatres are smaller than big outdoor theatres, 295 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,000 they are seen as more socially exclusive. 296 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,760 Perhaps in a way they are seen as safer, 297 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,400 they are in more kind of posh districts of town. 298 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,400 And so you have a greater proportion of women going, 299 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,200 women going in couples, women going with their husbands, 300 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,400 women going, essentially, unaccompanied 301 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,520 other than by a servant to the theatre. 302 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,360 And playwrights respond by providing stories for them. 303 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:00,000 But what we have to remember is that during theatre's first flowering, 304 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,840 the female roles on stage were never played by women. 305 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,120 In the 1620s and '30s, female roles in all plays, 306 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:11,360 both indoor and out, were taken by boys or young men. 307 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:17,360 It's sort of somewhere between 12 and 22, 308 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:19,720 so we're talking early teenage into adolescent and young man. 309 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,920 Women never performed on the commercial London stage 310 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,000 for reasons of propriety and just history, really, 311 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,960 until right up until the 1640s. 312 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,280 I think dramatists were using the idea of cross-dress performance 313 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,120 as a potential source of interest. 314 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:40,000 It can be funny, it can be sexy, it can be erotic. 315 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,040 There can be all sorts of layers of interest 316 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:48,320 packed into the idea that a female role is played by a boy. 317 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,560 The Globe education team wants to explore 318 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,600 how the audience experiences a scene 319 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,680 when a boy actor plays the lead female role, compared to a woman. 320 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,440 Fie, what's all this? One of your eyes is bloodshot! 321 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,560 Female actor Beth Park takes to the stage first 322 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,160 in Webster's The Duchess Of Malfi. 323 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,880 'Twas my wedding ring, 324 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,720 and I did vow never to part with it but to my second husband. 325 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,560 In this scene, the Duchess is seen in a position of power, 326 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,760 controlling her servant, Antonio, who she wants to marry. 327 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,880 You have made me stark blind. How? 328 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,680 There is a saucy and ambitious devil is dancing in this circle. 329 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Remove him. 330 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,000 Fie! Fie, what's all this? 331 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,320 Next up, 15-year-old guy Amos performs the same extract. 332 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,280 'Twas my wedding ring, and I did vow never to part with it... 333 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,840 ..but to my second husband. 334 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,720 You have parted with it now. Yes, to help your eyesight. 335 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,720 APPLAUSE 336 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,080 The dominance of him in the beginning was much higher than hers. 337 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,800 I would say the main difference is body language, 338 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,560 and I'd say, as a woman, 339 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,680 the way you hold your body and the way you move your body, 340 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,480 it's very hard to replicate that as a boy or a man. 341 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,200 I kind of disagree on the body language, because I think 342 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,200 even the way you're standing now... LAUGHTER 343 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,920 ..the costume you're wearing is making you move in a certain 344 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,600 and actually I found that convincing. 345 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,480 It really emphasised the theatricality of the scene, 346 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,480 of theatre, and it didn't matter to me that you're not a woman, 347 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,320 I didn't hold that against you! 348 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,600 And I was absolutely convinced by the role you were playing, 349 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,440 even while I was able to remember that you're not a woman. 350 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,920 Many of Webster's female characters 351 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,800 are driven by the spirit of rebellion, 352 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,000 and rebellion is at the heart of my final example tonight 353 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,600 of not Shakespeare. 354 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,320 Christopher Marlowe 355 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,280 is known as the playwright that Shakespeare learned from, 356 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,440 and also for his mighty line, 357 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,520 unrhymed but strongly rhythmical verse, 358 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,800 of a kind picked up by Shakespeare in every single one of his plays. 359 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,920 But what is often underestimated 360 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,840 is the difference between the two as characters. 361 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,360 Christopher Marlowe was a natural rebel, 362 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:24,760 simply an angrier, pricklier character than Shakespeare. 363 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,160 And I think the key to his work 364 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,520 lies in his extraordinary and bizarre life, 365 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,560 an odder tale than any you would ever see on the Elizabethan stage. 366 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,880 The eldest son of a shoemaker from Canterbury, 367 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,960 who went on to grammar school, 368 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,800 and, unlike Shakespeare, university at Cambridge, 369 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,760 Marlowe was a dark and difficult man. 370 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,120 A natural outsider, he was a spy, 371 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,560 almost certainly gay, and probably an atheist. 372 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,800 His plays, including Doctor Faustus, about the man who sells his soul 373 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,760 to the devil for infinite knowledge, 374 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,760 were wildly popular but often trod a dangerous line on religion. 375 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,160 To understand Marlowe's world and his plays, 376 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,640 you have to start backwards with a story of his death 377 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,600 here in east London at the age of just 29. 378 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,600 Did Marlowe pay a terrible price for his subversive writing? 379 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,440 On the 30th of May, 1593, Marlowe was here at Deptford Strand, 380 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,440 which was then a grimy and busy maritime port. 381 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,280 He spent the afternoon in a lodging house near here, 382 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,000 talking and drinking with three other men, 383 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,560 and then a couple of hours later, he was dead, 384 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,160 killed by a dagger thrust through the brain above the right eye. 385 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,960 The inquest put this down to a drunken brawl, 386 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,440 but many people think there was rather more to it than that. 387 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,800 Just before his death, we know that Marlowe had been arrested 388 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,760 and placed under government surveillance. 389 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,120 He was in trouble because papers had come to light 390 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:02,640 suggesting he was expanding extremely dangerous religious views. 391 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080 suggesting he was expounding 392 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,560 The most damning of them, the so-called Baines note, 393 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,200 accused Marlowe of being a propagandist for extreme atheism. 394 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,040 Now, at a time when the entire society and state 395 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,400 depended on a religious consensus, this was tantamount to treason. 396 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,080 And so, many people believe that, 397 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,920 far from this being an unfortunate brawl, 398 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,800 in fact Marlowe was the target 399 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,040 of a cold-blooded political assassination. 400 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Just down the road in the local churchyard, 401 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Marlowe is buried in an unmarked grave. 402 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,200 Or is he? 403 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,000 Now, there is a theory 404 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280 that Marlowe isn't buried anywhere round here at all, 405 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,920 because his death was faked, 406 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,800 that it was a fix by his powerful spying friends 407 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,240 who wanted to save his skin and their own, 408 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,320 and so they arranged for him to flee to the Continent. 409 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,480 Today, a plaque commemorates the playwright. 410 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Whilst we may never know the truth about his death, 411 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:09,880 one thing is clear - 412 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,200 Marlowe was seen as a dangerous religious rebel. 413 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,160 And he wasn't afraid to take big risks in his writing either. 414 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,600 His play The Jew Of Malta 415 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,040 crackles with religious and political intrigue. 416 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,600 On stage at the RSC this summer, 417 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,120 it's a tragic farce about a Jew called Barabas 418 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:31,200 who has his wealth forcibly removed by the Christians, 419 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,320 so Barabas sets out to reap bloody revenge, 420 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280 training his servant accomplices 421 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,080 in the art and mentality of retribution. 422 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,200 First be thou void of these affections, 423 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:50,920 compassion, love, vain hope, and heartless fear. 424 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,080 Be moved at nothing, see thou pity none, 425 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,040 but to thyself smile when the Christians moan. 426 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,920 Brave master! 427 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,160 I talked to the director of the RSC production 428 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,280 of The Jew Of Malta, Justin Audibert. 429 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,400 Barabas, The Jew Of Malta, is in some sense, of course the villain, 430 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,160 but he's quite an attractive villain, and people argue 431 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,120 that he has some kind of relationship to Marlowe himself. 432 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,520 Like Marlowe, he's a person that is really, really clever, 433 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,200 really, really intelligent, 434 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,040 and really, really good at dealing with people. 435 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,120 And he's frustrated by the society he's in, because he's an outsider. 436 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,480 I would say that Marlowe sees himself, 437 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,600 a really talented guy with this high education, 438 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,800 but the only kind of ways he can make money 439 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,520 is by kind of indulging in, like, 440 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760 activities that are on the outside of society - 441 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,360 spying, counterfeiting money and writing plays. 442 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,000 And also probably he was gay, the famous comment about, 443 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,040 "He is a fool who does not love tobacco and boys." 444 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,880 Absolutely. An outsider in every possible way. 445 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,120 An outsider in every possible sense, and Barabas is kind of 446 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,960 his phantasma, his revenge, his way of getting back at society. 447 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,640 And, of course, this is a play, 448 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,640 although it is directed in some respects against Jews and Judaism, 449 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,680 it is really against religion of all kind, 450 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,920 and this, in many respects, seems to be a play 451 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,960 which is toying with the idea of atheism. 452 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,040 It's not absolutely explicit, but it's involving the audience 453 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,720 in that kind of complicity, quite a dangerous thing to be doing. 454 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,520 One of the most radical things you could possibly be doing. 455 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,160 I suppose, if you were looking for a 21st century equivalent, 456 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560 it would be making some kind of piece of work 457 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,520 that suggested joining Isis was a good idea. 458 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,880 It was that radical an idea. 459 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280 There are people, of course, who think that Marlowe escaped 460 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,920 and isn't buried here, but went abroad 461 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,120 and re-emerged as William Shakespeare. 462 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,560 What do you make of that? 463 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,120 If he did, he had an awful great playwriting transplant, 464 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,520 because having worked on the plays of both of them, 465 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,280 they are completely different in tone, in quality, 466 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,360 in the themes that they are interested in. 467 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:51,360 It feels to me that Marlowe has a kind of anarchistic spirit. 468 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:56,040 His plays are about big ideas, they are often 469 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,680 about a kind of outsider of sorts railing against the system, 470 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,840 and he's interested in the kind of... 471 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760 slightly more in the shades of grey of political endeavour. 472 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480 The mystery of Marlowe's death may never be solved, 473 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,280 but his plays endure. 474 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,840 And so, against the odds, do a whole clutch of great writers 475 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,960 who have only one misfortune - that they are not Shakespeare. 476 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,840 And I'm going to leave you with 15-year-old Guy Amos 477 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,120 playing The White Devil. 478 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,160 Here he is in John Webster's play as Isabella, 479 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,040 desperate to regain her husband's love. 480 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Doth not my absence from you now two months merit one kiss? 481 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,960 I do not use to kiss. 482 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,400 If that will dispossess your jealousy, I'll swear to it. 483 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,720 Oh, my loved lord, I do not come to chide. 484 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280 My jealousy! 485 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,720 You are as welcome to these longing arms, as I to you a virgin. 486 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,960 Oh, your breath! 487 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,240 Out upon physic and... 488 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,920 something sweetmeats, the plague is in them! 489 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,760 You have oft, for these two lips, neglected cassia 490 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880 or the natural sweets of the spring violet. 491 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480 They are not yet much withered.