1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,600 "Reader, I married him." 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,200 It's one of the most iconic lines in all of English literature. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Jane Eyre, Charlotte Bronte's poor, orphaned, neglected heroine, has 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,560 finally married the man she loves, Rochester, and on her own terms. 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,840 As a teenager, and a debut novelist myself at 16, 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,800 I was intrigued by Jane Eyre. 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,320 Like many millions of readers before me, I immersed myself in her 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,840 world of loss and suffering, striving and redemption. 9 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,680 Charlotte Bronte's heroine got everything she wanted, 10 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,040 and without compromising her principles. 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Or did she? 12 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Revisiting Bronte's classic novel now, 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 my reaction couldn't be more different. 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,320 I find the book so much more disturbing 15 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:11,040 and darker than my teenage memory of it. 16 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,240 'In this film, I want to go back to Charlotte Bronte's original 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,840 'manuscript, examine early writing...' 18 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Oh, my God! 19 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,440 '..and uncover personal correspondence which reveals 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,480 'experiences that shape the book's narrative.' 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,240 You can almost tell that the hand is clenched. 22 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,880 'And I want to test out my ideas about the book 23 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,560 'and its central character with experts.' 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Actually, Jane Eyre is revolutionary in her demands. 25 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,360 Oh! I don't agree at all. 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Well, I think you're right that Jane Eyre isn't just a love story. 27 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,920 It's full of violence, frustration and repressed desire. 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,640 As a protagonist, Jane Eyre is one of the great literary characters, 29 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,840 but I want to know, how much of a heroine is she? 30 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,920 "I am glad you are no relation of mine. 31 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:29,760 "I will never call you aunt again so long as I live. 32 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,840 "I will never come to see you when I'm grown up, and if anyone asks me 33 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,320 "how I liked you and how you treated me, I will say the very thought 34 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,240 "of you makes me sick, and that you treated me with miserable cruelty. 35 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,240 "How dare you affirm that, Jane Eyre? 36 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,440 "How dare I, Mrs Reed? How dare I? Because it is the truth." 37 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,880 I love that. 38 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,320 Jane Eyre was only ten years old when she finally snapped 39 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,880 and confronted Mrs Reed, 40 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,760 the cruel aunt who turned a blind eye to Jane's bullying cousins. 41 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,440 When I first read the novel, I loved this orphan girl who was angry, 42 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,880 outspoken, and acutely aware of injustice. 43 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,280 I admired her emotional independence 44 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,960 and her total determination to make her own way in the world, even 45 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,760 when she was sent away to a brutal boarding school. 46 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,280 At 18, Jane Eyre becomes a governess at Thornfield Hall. 47 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,080 It's where the central love story of the novel begins - 48 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,880 Jane's relationship with the master of the house. 49 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,080 Her employer is the mercurial and tormented Edward Rochester. 50 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,280 Charlotte Bronte describes "his stern features, 51 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,080 "his heavy brow, his considerable breadth of chest." 52 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,120 This was my first copy of Jane Eyre from when I was a teenager, 53 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,880 and to prove it to you... there you go, 54 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:13,400 October 1996 with a vintage doodle from my teen years. 55 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,720 And this is my teenage bedroom, where I read Jane Eyre 56 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,720 for the first time, on that bed. 57 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,800 And not only that but, looking through it now, I see that 58 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,160 I clearly went through it highlighting all of the dirty bits! 59 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,440 "You examine me, Miss Eyre, said he, Do you think me handsome?" 60 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,880 But she goes, "No, sir." 61 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,560 She refuses to compromise or demean herself even though it's 62 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,880 quite obvious that she's attracted to him too. 63 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,320 As a young reader, I was rooting for her all the way. 64 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,240 I got just as wrapped up 65 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,920 in the love story element of the novel as she did. 66 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,520 When Charlotte Bronte wrote her great love story 67 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,720 between Jane Eyre and Rochester, she wanted her writing to be judged 68 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,320 on merit, and not with any reference to her gender, 69 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,160 not least because she was writing frankly about female desire. 70 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,080 'Bronte was 30 years old when Jane Eyre was published in 1847, 71 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,760 'under the guise of an autobiography edited by Currer Bell - 72 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,520 'a pseudonym adopted by Charlotte Bronte. 73 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,720 'The book was an overnight sensation. 74 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,560 'Today, the British Library has the only surviving manuscript.' 75 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,320 I can't believe that we're sitting in front of an original 76 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,120 manuscript of Jane Eyre written by Charlotte Bronte herself. 77 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,440 The handwriting is so precise, the whole thing seems immaculate 78 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,280 and neat, as though this is all very thought through. 79 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:06,120 She would hesitate to choose the right word, or the right 80 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,040 expression, just to get it right. 81 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,680 I'm just astonished that these 82 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,240 pages do give off a kind of atmosphere, don't they? 83 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,840 Yeah, they do, definitely. 84 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,720 It's beautifully, beautifully neat, 85 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,600 and this is the fair copy of the manuscript. 86 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,160 We know that she would start out writing in pencil on lots 87 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,600 of little sheets and then she would work from those 88 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,800 and produce the fair copy, which is what the publishers were sent. 89 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,360 Bronte's manuscript shows how careful 90 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,280 and considered she was with the writing of her novel. 91 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,080 But intimate letters survive that reveal a far more emotionally 92 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,160 unrestrained side to the author. 93 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,320 One of the most significant periods in Charlotte Bronte's life 94 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:01,320 was in the early 1840s, when she travelled to Brussels to 95 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,160 study languages, and we know that she fell in love 96 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,640 with Monsieur Heger. 97 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,960 He was the married professor of literature who taught 98 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,280 Charlotte Bronte. 99 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,400 Heger was the first man outside her family who'd actually recognised 100 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:22,240 her genius and she responded to him in a very passionate way. 101 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,680 It's a really formative period in her life. 102 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,720 And before I cast my eyes upon this letter, 103 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,920 I just have to know, was it reciprocated? 104 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,880 No. No. 105 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,160 From the first paragraph, it says it's been six months 106 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,960 and she's going over the date of her last letter that she wrote him. 107 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,880 They came to an agreement that she would only write one letter 108 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,320 every six months, and when she kept that agreement, 109 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,400 and he still didn't respond, she would fire back with quite 110 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,160 an angry, passionate sort of pent up letter. 111 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Yeah. You can almost tell that the hand is clenched, 112 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,400 the writing hand is absolutely clenched. 113 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Well, I don't think I can puzzle out any more of the French, 114 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,400 because it's so tiny. 115 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,360 This is a translation of the letter. 116 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,120 "I will tell you candidly that during this time of waiting I've tried to 117 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,720 "forget you, and when one has suffered this kind of anxiety 118 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,840 "for one or two years" - years! - "one is ready to do anything 119 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,400 "to regain peace of mind." 120 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,880 This is her first sort of crush, really. 121 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,520 I think it's more than a crush. 122 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,600 "When a dreary and prolonged silence seems to warn me 123 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,400 "that my master is becoming estranged from me, 124 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,960 "I lose my appetite and my sleep - I pine away." 125 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,160 The thing that strikes me immediately is that she refers 126 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,040 to him as "my master", which is exactly what Jane Eyre... Yes. 127 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,680 ..does to Edward Rochester. She calls him "my master" throughout. 128 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,560 Heger played a huge part in the shaping of Rochester's character, 129 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,880 and the relationship between Jane. 130 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,640 But does he torment her deliberately in a way that... 131 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,040 I think he did. 132 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,640 Yeah, he was aware of his power over his pupils, 133 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,120 and particularly over Charlotte Bronte. 134 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,400 How long did it take her to write Jane Eyre? 135 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,640 It took her... From starting it to actually sending the fair copy 136 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,120 to the publishers, it was 12 months. 137 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,600 And it was not long after the Brussels period. 138 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,600 We know the Thornfield section of the novel 139 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,280 was completed in three weeks. 140 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,640 So it seems like she was very confident. 141 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,760 And that this was coming from very deep inside? 142 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Coming from very deep inside her, yeah. 143 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,600 This passion for her teacher in Brussels clearly inspired 144 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,360 the writing of Jane Eyre. 145 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,080 But for Bronte's fictional love story, 146 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,320 she would choose a much grander setting suited to the melodramatic 147 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,360 reworking of her own emotional experiences. 148 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,840 Bronte's novel is famously set against the epic backdrop 149 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,320 of the Yorkshire moors. 150 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,440 And this fortified manor house has been used as a film location 151 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,600 for many dramatised versions of the book. 152 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,600 In my imagination, and that of countless readers and film goers, 153 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:33,000 this could be Edward Rochester's ancestral home, Thornfield Hall. 154 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,840 It's the perfect stage for Charlotte Bronte's Gothic story 155 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:44,000 of fairytale, horror and magical revelation. 156 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,080 Part of the power of the book lies in the way Bronte combines 157 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,080 these disparate genre styles with realistic storytelling. 158 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,240 Re-reading the book now, the darkness seems much more 159 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,120 oppressive, widespread and disturbing. 160 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,560 Far from the heady romance I read as a teen, I now see the relationship 161 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:13,680 between Rochester and Jane Eyre as an extremely abusive one, 162 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:18,400 especially in the way he exploits his position of authority over her. 163 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,400 Throughout the novel, Rochester refers to Jane as "little". 164 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,080 And she submissively calls him "master". 165 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,440 Ultimately, she's presented as accepting of his aggression 166 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,920 and of her own dependence and emotional subordination. 167 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,680 Bronte writes, 168 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:50,000 "His presence in a room was more cheering than the brightest fire. 169 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,440 "Yet I had not forgotten his faults - indeed, 170 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,800 "I could not, for he brought them frequently before me." 171 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:04,440 And there's nothing romantic about Rochester's marriage proposal 172 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:11,680 to her. He says, "Jane, will you marry me? 173 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,800 "You - poor and obscure, and small and plain as you are - I entreat 174 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,040 "you to accept me as a husband". 175 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,520 These are words that the self-effacing Jane has used 176 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,040 to describe herself to Rochester before. 177 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,080 And she replies to him, "Are you in earnest? 178 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,760 "Do you truly love me? 179 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,720 "Do you sincerely wish me to be your wife?" 180 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,800 But then all her dreams come crashing down - 181 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,840 Rochester's already married. 182 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,800 He's been lying to her throughout and he's hidden his mad wife, 183 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Bertha, in the attic. 184 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,160 Jane faces a stark choice - stay with Rochester 185 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,600 and be his mistress or follow her convictions and her dignity, 186 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,040 even if it means letting go of the man she loves. 187 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,320 Jane flees Thornfield - she's by herself and she has nothing. 188 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Jane says, "I may be poor and plain and alone, but I care for myself." 189 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,360 She's aware that if she becomes Rochester's mistress, 190 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,720 she loses not only her respectability but her self-respect. 191 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,040 'This is where I wished Jane had stayed strong 192 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,000 'and seen the last of Rochester. 193 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,720 'Although an unexpected inheritance brings her financial independence, 194 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,400 'she chooses to return to him a year later. 195 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,400 'But the novel is not so kind to her former master. 196 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,000 'As his home is engulfed in flames, 197 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,080 'he's crippled and robbed of his sight. 198 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,160 'It's as though Bronte has given him his karmic punishment.' 199 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,640 Rochester's blind and he's been maimed trying to save 200 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,080 Bertha from the devastating fire she caused at Thornfield. 201 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:24,000 Bertha dies, leaving Rochester free to finally marry Jane. 202 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,400 'With fairytale neatness, it's all very convenient. 203 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,760 'Not only is Bertha out of the way forever, 204 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,000 'but Jane's fortunes have risen while Rochester's have fallen.' 205 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Many readers see an equality between Jane 206 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,120 and Rochester by the end of the novel. 207 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,760 But I'm afraid I don't accept that at all. 208 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:54,720 She revels in serving this man and I think she exults at Bertha's demise. 209 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,760 'I want to take Charlotte Bronte and her creation, Jane Eyre, 210 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,800 'to task, and find out more about the heroine who has resonated 211 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,800 'with so many readers, but has left me with so many doubts. 212 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,360 'I've come to the lifelong home of the Brontes, 213 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,880 'in Haworth, West Yorkshire. 214 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,440 'It's where Charlotte lived with her literary sisters, Anne and Emily, 215 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,680 'and where she completed Jane Eyre - her most successful novel.' 216 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:34,120 One of the things I've always loved about Jane Eyre is her anger 217 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,520 and she will answer back to anyone who mistreats her, and I feel almost 218 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,200 that when she gets to Thornfield, she becomes curiously submissive. 219 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,560 I am disturbed by the... I see you wincing in pain there! 220 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,920 ..as soon as she gets to Thornfield, because in sweeps Mr Rochester, 221 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,120 and from then on I feel like she is sort of magnetised by him, 222 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,080 and he begins to torment, tease, flirt with her, 223 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,280 and I'm reading it thinking, where is that child that stood by herself? 224 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Well, I think first of all, this is an education novel. 225 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,800 You know, it's a bildungsroman and so it is about a character 226 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,280 changing and maturing, and I think that the whole thing is that 227 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,720 she's not just going to give into her anger. 228 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,840 When it comes to Mr Rochester, it's not just a love story, 229 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,200 it's really about her asserting herself 230 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,840 and refusing to submit to someone else's will. 231 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,800 I mean, he might call her his little bird, 232 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,560 but she resists him all the time. 233 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,000 Oh, I don't agree at all. 234 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Jane strikes me as this completely damaged, broken individual 235 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,640 and I think that's what happens when you've grown up 236 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,440 and nobody has shown you even a shred of love... Yes, yes. 237 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,440 ..and it's this that leads her into this very sadomasochistic 238 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,880 relationship with Rochester. 239 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,080 One of the first things she likes when she meets Rochester 240 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,280 is he falls from the horse and she helps him up and she says, 241 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,440 "I felt glad... I wasn't... My existence had become less passive, 242 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,200 "I was doing something to help him." 243 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,880 And that was her big gripe about 19th century lives for women. 244 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,400 But you see, but, but that, to me, is the ultimate in female masochism, 245 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,560 which is, "I love him because he needs me." 246 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,840 That's - you've just said it right there. 247 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,200 And at no point does Jane really judge Rochester. 248 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,920 But she also says, "I won't be a slave in your harem, 249 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,560 "I will be stirring up the slaves to liberty." 250 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,640 I mean, this is a theme about her character 251 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,400 striving for a kind of mental equality with a man. 252 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,760 And it was so unusual that after about a year of people saying, 253 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,800 "Isn't this a fantastic novel?" people starting saying, hmm, 254 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,520 this is the sort of same kind of mind-set which created 255 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,760 the 1848 revolution, Chartism, this sort of overturning of barriers. 256 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,440 This is what creates revolution all over the world. 257 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,840 And, yes, actually, Jane Eyre is revolutionary in her demands, 258 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,040 and I think she maintains that despite being very, 259 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,600 very attracted to Mr Rochester. 260 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,560 This is a mould breaking heroine. 261 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,240 'So, maybe I'm not giving Charlotte Bronte enough 262 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,520 'credit for challenging convention 263 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,120 'and pushing for female identity and passion to be taken seriously. 264 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,440 'And there was a radicalism too in the style of the book. 265 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,600 'The intimate first person 266 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,920 'autobiographical voice was itself pioneering. 267 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,520 'Its interior perspective would inspire later 268 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,840 'generations of novelists. 269 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,760 'But one aspect of Bronte's writing which still raises many 270 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,120 'questions for me is her attitude to race. 271 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:50,680 'As a child, she grew up during a time when slavery 272 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,680 'in the British Empire was nearing its end. 273 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,360 'I'm keen to know how the debate that raged around the trade 274 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,840 'might have informed her literary imagination. 275 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,440 'The British Library has some rare examples of Bronte's early 276 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,600 'writing, which show how she first imagined life in the colonies.' 277 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,920 So, this is the manuscript of The Foundling. 278 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,640 It's one of Charlotte Bronte's juvenilia. 279 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,760 But, but you're being so careful with it, 280 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,760 makes me think it's incredibly fragile. It is. 281 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,800 This is absolutely amazing. 282 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,840 This tells me that Charlotte Bronte was really ambitious, 283 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,440 to be published out in the world with a proper book. Yes, certainly. 284 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,800 And you can tell that by the sheer exuberance of her signature. 285 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,040 I mean, that's the biggest thing on this first page. 286 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,160 Verdopolis. 287 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,840 That was the name of this African colonial state where 288 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,640 many of the stories were set. 289 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,760 So it's incredibly politically charged. 290 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,560 Yeah, I mean, I think the way she presents a colony is very much 291 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,280 in line with the way she would have read about the colonies. 292 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,480 I'll just turn the page, 293 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,480 because I think you get a better sense then of it. 294 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,640 Oh, my God! Are those real... 295 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,760 That really is really tiny writing. 296 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,840 ..letters. It's so small, it's sort of like ants marching 297 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,720 across the page. And yet each letter is perfect. Yes. Oh, yes! 298 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,880 I find it completely fascinating that this teenager, really, 299 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,960 is writing at a time 300 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,040 when in the outer world there is a huge amount of social change 301 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,440 happening around the abolition of slavery and this seems to 302 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,760 have filtered through to the young Charlotte Bronte in this story. 303 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,600 Yeah, I think what you will see here, if we just turn the page, 304 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,040 is that you have a description of this, of Verdopolis, of this... 305 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,520 This colonial state. 306 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,960 ..this colonial city, which she describes here as 307 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,880 "that splendid city with such graceful haughtiness." 308 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,640 So, she's really taking on the role of the coloniser? 309 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Yes, I think she definitely portrays this world 310 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,520 probably in a way that she would have read about it 311 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,000 in the Victorian period in which she grew up. 312 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,480 Do you think there's much of a social conscious in this? 313 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,360 I'm feeling that she's rather on the side of the colonials 314 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,800 who were going over to civilise the heathens. 315 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,440 In The Foundling, in particular, 316 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,840 there isn't a huge amount from the perspective of the native residents 317 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,360 of Verdopolis, but I think she certainly has an awareness of them. 318 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,320 So, there's that kind of involvement with colonial life. 319 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,480 But I don't think it's always clear exactly what her view is. 320 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,320 While a clear view on colonialism 321 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,360 and race may be absent from the writing of the young Bronte, 322 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:49,160 in my mind, the view revealed by the adult Bronte is much clearer. 323 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,880 When I re-read Jane Eyre, one of the most marked differences 324 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,560 was in my reaction to the treatment of Bertha, 325 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,320 Rochester's infamous mad wife in the attic. 326 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,880 As a young reader, I didn't see her as anything other than 327 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,120 an obstacle to the happy conclusion of Jane's love story. 328 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,000 The thought of Bertha locked up 329 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:23,680 didn't excite any sympathy in me or, frankly, in Jane herself. 330 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,480 Nor did I question that Rochester may have used Bertha for her money. 331 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Bertha came from a wealthy family, 332 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,240 and Rochester met her in the West Indies. 333 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,880 Bertha is Creole, we're not sure if she's black or mixed race, 334 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,640 but she's described as dark skinned, 335 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,040 something which has negative connotations throughout the novel. 336 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,960 When Jane first lays eyes on her, her description is vivid 337 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,680 and extremely telling. 338 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,720 She says that Bertha is, 339 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:08,880 "Fearful and ghastly with a discoloured face, a savage face. 340 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,480 "The lips were swelled and dark. 341 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,200 "Black eyebrows widely raised over the bloodshot eyes." 342 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,680 The way Bronte kills Bertha off couldn't be more violent. 343 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,760 She has her jumping to her death from the fire that she 344 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,520 herself caused at Thornfield. 345 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,400 Years before her demise at Thornfield, 346 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,440 it's likely that Bertha and Rochester's journey from Jamaica 347 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,160 would have ended here in Liverpool - a city 348 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,320 with a long and contentious history of trading with the colonies. 349 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,440 Something I realised when I was re-reading Jane Eyre is 350 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,720 I didn't read it as a love story this time. 351 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,520 To me, it was about race and foreignness, 352 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480 particularly in the depiction of Bertha Mason, 353 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,480 the first wife who's been locked up in the attic. 354 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,280 Well, I think you're right that Jane Eyre isn't just a love story. 355 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,160 I mean, I think it is a love story, 356 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,920 but like, like all of Bronte's 357 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:20,800 novels, it's full of violence and frustration and repressed desire. 358 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,360 But it's true that the novel's attitudes to Bertha 359 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,080 I think are very ambivalent. 360 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,880 Do you think that the novel 361 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,240 is coming down on the side of colonialism? 362 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,120 Oh, yes, we know that Charlotte herself was a deeply 363 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,160 conservative woman, she was a Tory. 364 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,800 Her father was a Tory. 365 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,920 Her father was an Anglo-Irish Anglican parson who was 366 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,480 a Conservative. 367 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,000 So, I'm quite sure that in terms of her own politics, that would be 368 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,440 true, that she would not be critical of colonialism at all, 369 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,240 but novels are delicate and ambiguous and slippery things. 370 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,600 And what novelists themselves believe may not always be identical 371 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,000 with what they show and what they dramatise. 372 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,880 So, I think that, yeah, she would have, she would have, 373 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,200 she would have approved of colonialism, 374 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,520 but themes of subjugation - not least the subjugation of women - 375 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080 themes of victimisation, exploitation, 376 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,400 are rife throughout the novel. 377 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,520 She does, of course, show the image of an exploited woman in Bertha. 378 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,920 Even if she doesn't see her that way, we can see her that way, 379 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,480 which gives us a very different view of the situation. 380 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,520 I'm very interested in the idea of Charlotte Bronte's conservatism 381 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,880 because, throughout the novel, she's going on about how 382 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,280 she demands equality, she wants to be seen as a person. 383 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,120 And yet, all her politics, all her ferocity, actually fail 384 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,400 when it comes to talking about international matters and slavery 385 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,280 and colonialism, even though she is acutely aware of women's suffering. 386 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,480 Well, I'm not sure one would, that it would be reasonable 387 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,360 to expect a 19th century governess like Jane, you know, 388 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,560 or even Charlotte, to be aware of that wider world. 389 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,600 But she sure is aware of the politics on her own doorstep. 390 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Bertha does in a way represent a lot of guilt 391 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,360 and a lot of exploitation and a lot of frustration and desire which 392 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,960 are there in English society as a whole, and Bertha's the monstrous 393 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,080 incarnation of all this, which in one sense is repellent, 394 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,600 because that society doesn't want to acknowledge its roots 395 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,640 in colonial exploitation. 396 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,160 On the other hand, there's something about the exotic, 397 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,920 the dark the unknown, the adventurous... 398 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,320 As ever! Oh, these, well, these are classic notions... 399 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,360 ..which of course is very effective. These are classic notions. 400 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,280 Absolutely. If you're saying that Bertha is a hideous stereotype, 401 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,040 for sure, I mean, no argument. 402 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,400 I don't think you're necessarily misreading Bertha. 403 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,760 I do think you're rather concentrating too much on her, 404 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,440 cos she's one element in a very complex novel, 405 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,240 and I don't think the novel can be reduced to its pretty odious 406 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,960 treatment of Bertha, yes, because there's something in that 407 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,920 kind of madness, in that kind of female madness in particular, which 408 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,880 calls very deeply to Charlotte, I think, and to, and to Jane. 409 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,520 'When I started out, 410 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,400 'I was really questioning how much of a heroine Jane Eyre is.' 411 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,200 I'm now not just beginning to mellow towards her, 412 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200 I have to admit, I actively admire her. 413 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,120 Bronte gave voice to a female desire and sexuality 414 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:27,240 in a ground-breaking and influential literary form, conveying Jane Eyre's 415 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,880 experiences through a captivating and original, personal perspective. 416 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,360 I must admit, though, I am still horrified by the depiction 417 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:44,800 and treatment of the character of Bertha, but maybe that's me 418 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,600 judging Charlotte Bronte by my 21st-century politicised values. 419 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,360 'While I realise that Bronte was reflecting 420 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,720 'some of the prejudices of her time, 421 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,560 'the novel still allows for multiple nuanced readings, and at its heart 422 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,800 'is a radical plea for women to have greater equality with men. 423 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,160 'It's been so rewarding exploring this novel and its ambiguities, 424 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,800 'teasing out what it is that keeps pulling me back. 425 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,240 'And the answer is the same now as when I first read 426 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,520 'the book as a teenager - the complex character of Jane Eyre. 427 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,240 'The moral dilemmas of her world 428 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,160 'are so convincingly brought to life that her story continues 429 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:39,320 'to both inspire and provoke, nearly two centuries after it was written.' 430 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,400 To dig deeper into Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre, 431 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,680 and the other books in this series, 432 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:54,520 a free app from the Open University is available to download. 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