1 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:12,090 2,000 years ago, in a remote part of the Roman Empire, someone was 2 00:00:12,090 --> 00:00:15,370 born who would change the history of the world. Jesus. 3 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:22,010 He was seen from the very beginning as this extremely radical revolutionary 4 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:29,130 figure that was going to bring more change than they had seen since the time of the prophets. 5 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:33,490 After a life of wandering through the hills and villages of Galilee and Judaea, 6 00:00:33,490 --> 00:00:41,010 preaching and healing, Jesus was betrayed, arrested and brutally put to death. 7 00:00:41,010 --> 00:00:42,930 Jesus's death on the Cross was 8 00:00:42,930 --> 00:00:46,490 hugely difficult for the early Christians. 9 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:51,690 It was extremely embarrassing to say that they were followers of a leader who had been crucified. 10 00:00:51,690 --> 00:00:54,570 But in the years after his crucifixion, 11 00:00:54,570 --> 00:01:01,650 Jesus's story was written down by his followers to explain his 12 00:01:01,650 --> 00:01:05,610 extraordinary life and death. These four Gospels would 13 00:01:05,610 --> 00:01:08,250 later form a major part of the Christian Bible and enable his 14 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:11,530 message to be spread all over the world. 15 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:17,210 It's just extraordinary to come here now and see these crowds, who come 16 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:21,330 from all over the world, still being drawn by the power of that 17 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:24,690 moment that would change everything. 18 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:26,570 This is a very exciting find. 19 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:29,170 We have people who are still so sceptical 20 00:01:29,170 --> 00:01:32,410 that they claim there's no Nazareth in the first century. 21 00:01:32,410 --> 00:01:38,610 But for hundreds of years, scholars have been trying to look behind the Jesus of the Gospels, 22 00:01:38,610 --> 00:01:41,690 the divine Christ of faith, to uncover the historical figure, 23 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:45,570 a Mediterranean Jew who lived and died as a man 24 00:01:45,570 --> 00:01:48,570 and, according to his followers, was resurrected from the dead. 25 00:01:48,570 --> 00:01:51,170 This is absolutely mind blowing. 26 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:54,610 I mean, they knew what we call the laws of nature just as much as we do. 27 00:01:54,610 --> 00:01:56,490 They knew that dead people stay dead. 28 00:01:56,490 --> 00:02:02,610 In this series, using the very latest archaeological, historical and theological research, 29 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:09,530 nine of the world's leading Biblical experts will re-examine the Gospel accounts of Jesus's life 30 00:02:09,530 --> 00:02:14,770 to uncover the true meaning behind the 2,000 year-old story of Jesus. 31 00:02:14,770 --> 00:02:17,170 This is a story too improbable not to be true 32 00:02:17,170 --> 00:02:21,450 because it's not what you'd make up if you're starting a new world religion. 33 00:02:31,890 --> 00:02:36,090 Right in the heart of one of Britain's largest cites is a library 34 00:02:36,090 --> 00:02:41,450 that contains the oldest known piece of the Christian New Testament anywhere in the world. 35 00:02:41,450 --> 00:02:47,010 When you study the New Testament you've got dozens, and in fact hundreds, of manuscripts 36 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:50,050 from the first three or four or five centuries, 37 00:02:50,050 --> 00:02:52,610 including some of these tiny fragments 38 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:56,090 that go really back very close, within 60 or so years, 39 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:59,170 of when the documents were originally written. 40 00:02:59,170 --> 00:03:06,010 And no other texts from the ancient world have any documentation remotely like that. 41 00:03:06,010 --> 00:03:11,130 So we're on much more solid ground with the New Testament than any other book from antiquity. 42 00:03:11,130 --> 00:03:15,850 This fragment of papyrus is believed to have been written 43 00:03:15,850 --> 00:03:19,170 within just 100 years of Jesus's death. 44 00:03:19,170 --> 00:03:22,970 It contains a few lines describing Jesus's encounter with the Roman 45 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:26,770 Governor in Jerusalem as he is condemned to death on a cross. 46 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:36,770 'The manuscript itself happens to be part of the 18th Chapter of John's Gospel and where we see Jesus talking 47 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:41,930 'to Pontius Pilate, this is the representative of the Kingdom of God 48 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:44,970 'confronting the representative of the Kingdom of the World. 49 00:03:44,970 --> 00:03:49,650 'And what are they going to talk about? Well, what do you think? Kingdom, power and truth. 50 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:54,210 'And he says to Jesus, "So, are you some kind of a king?" And Jesus says, "Well, you call me a king," 51 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:58,730 'he says, "but this is why I was born and this is what I came into the world for, 52 00:03:58,730 --> 00:04:03,810 '"that I might bear witness to the truth." And then Pilate 53 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:07,970 'says his famous answer, "What is truth?"' 54 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:11,650 Ever since that question first appeared 55 00:04:11,650 --> 00:04:17,210 in the Christian Bible, scholars have searched for an answer to help them understand the story of Jesus 56 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:20,130 contained in the Gospels. 57 00:04:25,090 --> 00:04:30,490 The Christian Bible as we know it today is made up of the 39 books of the Old Testament, 58 00:04:30,490 --> 00:04:32,970 Hebrew scriptures written 59 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:37,930 between 2,000 and 3,000 years ago, and the 27 books of the New Testament. 60 00:04:37,930 --> 00:04:40,770 At its heart are the four Gospels 61 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:43,930 of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, 62 00:04:43,930 --> 00:04:45,930 the narrative stories 63 00:04:45,930 --> 00:04:49,290 of the life of Jesus, first written down in the century after Jesus's death. 64 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:52,170 'I think what we can say 65 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:57,650 'is not necessarily we've got these early manuscripts, therefore it must all be true, but we've got these' 66 00:04:57,650 --> 00:05:02,810 early manuscripts which point back like a set of signposts from different roads all 67 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:05,650 leading to the same city and, because the manuscripts are slightly 68 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:09,450 different here and there, we can see that these traditions have diverged, 69 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:12,690 but they've diverged from a common source and we can go back very close 70 00:05:12,690 --> 00:05:15,730 to that common source and say again 71 00:05:15,730 --> 00:05:21,210 and again this is actually what John or Paul or whoever wrote. 72 00:05:21,210 --> 00:05:24,730 It's wonderfully sharp, hard evidence of that, by comparison 73 00:05:24,730 --> 00:05:28,130 with all the other texts that we know from the ancient world. 74 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:34,170 Most biblical scholars today agree that the best way to understand the Gospels, 75 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:37,890 and particularly what they say about Jesus, is to try 76 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:44,330 and understand the life and times in which they were composed, the outlook of the people for whom they 77 00:05:44,330 --> 00:05:48,170 were first written and the world in which those stories took place. 78 00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:54,850 In this series we want to uncover the original meaning of the story of Jesus, to investigate 79 00:05:54,850 --> 00:06:02,330 the Gospel accounts of his life, not through the eyes of a 21st century reader, but through those of the 80 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:06,690 people for whom those stories were first written almost 2,000 years ago. 81 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:19,850 "In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God 82 00:06:19,850 --> 00:06:25,410 "to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph 83 00:06:27,450 --> 00:06:29,650 "of the house of David. 84 00:06:29,650 --> 00:06:33,010 "And the virgin's name was Mary." 85 00:06:35,170 --> 00:06:38,170 The Jewish first century world into which Jesus was born, and 86 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:42,130 when the accounts of his life were first compiled, 87 00:06:42,130 --> 00:06:48,850 was far more religious than today and full of expectation as to a coming Messiah, someone 88 00:06:48,850 --> 00:06:51,010 who would liberate the people from all their troubles. 89 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:54,690 The stories about Jesus's birth were full of suggestions 90 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:57,370 that he was that saviour. 91 00:06:57,370 --> 00:07:04,930 There's a lot of dispute over the historicity of the infancy stories, how much one can one can say there's 92 00:07:04,930 --> 00:07:08,730 historical truth in them and how much not. Some people are more optimistic 93 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:11,850 and some people are more sceptical and a lot of it comes down to 94 00:07:11,850 --> 00:07:14,810 people's presuppositions about whether miraculous things can happen. 95 00:07:14,810 --> 00:07:19,170 Dr Simon Gathercole is a Senior Lecturer at the University of Cambridge 96 00:07:19,170 --> 00:07:22,810 and an expert in the study of the New Testament. 97 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:29,410 He believes the writers of the Gospels wanted to tell their readers who they believed Jesus really was, 98 00:07:29,410 --> 00:07:35,610 and that right from the start of his life he was destined to change the course of history. 99 00:07:35,610 --> 00:07:42,250 The message of the Gospels of course is that this particular Jesus Christ is the Son of 100 00:07:42,250 --> 00:07:48,490 God who went on to die and rise again and bring salvation to the world 101 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:53,850 So this isn't mere history, it's not less than history, but it is history with a message. 102 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:59,050 At the time the Gospels were first compiled in the 1st century, what we 103 00:07:59,050 --> 00:08:03,810 would call modern Israel and Palestine was a part of the Roman Empire. 104 00:08:03,810 --> 00:08:09,130 This meant that for Jews, their Holy Land was under Pagan rule. 105 00:08:09,130 --> 00:08:15,170 And in Caesar's Empire, the Emperors were thought of as gods who could do no wrong. 106 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:24,530 For the Gospel writers, the extraordinary story of 107 00:08:24,530 --> 00:08:29,570 Jesus's birth, life and death was a direct challenge to that world. 108 00:08:29,570 --> 00:08:32,970 For them, Jesus was the true God, not Caesar. 109 00:08:34,050 --> 00:08:39,930 The Gospels of Matthew and Luke were probably both written in the sort of 70s, 110 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:45,890 80s AD perhaps, and those times were significant because Emperors at that time in the Roman Empire had just 111 00:08:45,890 --> 00:08:49,410 started being called sons of God. 112 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:53,090 And so when we read in Matthew's Gospel and Luke's Gospel both the 113 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:57,050 infancy narratives call Jesus the Son of God, 114 00:08:57,050 --> 00:09:01,450 those with their sensitive political antennae up 115 00:09:01,450 --> 00:09:04,810 would perhaps be struck by the fact that Jesus is the true son of God 116 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:06,970 and so perhaps a challenger to the Emperor. 117 00:09:09,530 --> 00:09:11,970 Modern sceptics often point to the differences 118 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:17,650 in the four Gospel accounts of Jesus's life as evidence of their falsehood. 119 00:09:17,650 --> 00:09:24,290 Many biblical scholars see these differences as simply alternative points of focus, a 120 00:09:24,290 --> 00:09:29,330 way of telling the same core story, but from a different point of view. 121 00:09:29,330 --> 00:09:33,130 Our traditional infancy narrative is actually a conflation of 122 00:09:33,130 --> 00:09:37,330 the two separate accounts in Matthew's Gospel and Luke's Gospel. 123 00:09:37,330 --> 00:09:41,130 And they contain some similar incidents and some different incidents. 124 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:43,530 'So in Matthew's Gospel, 125 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:47,210 'Joseph is perhaps the leading figure. 126 00:09:47,210 --> 00:09:50,970 'It's Joseph who receives the message from the Angel. 127 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:55,050 'On the other hand, when we come to Luke's Gospel, Joseph is scarcely mentioned at all. 128 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:59,250 'The attention is all on Mary and on Mary's family.' 129 00:10:03,050 --> 00:10:04,290 "The book of the genealogy 130 00:10:04,290 --> 00:10:05,850 "of Jesus Christ, the son of David, 131 00:10:05,850 --> 00:10:09,410 "the son of Abraham. Abraham was the father of Isaac, 132 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:17,130 "and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers." 133 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:22,170 Jesus's family history was very important to his followers. 134 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:27,850 Both Gospel writers provide us with a detailed genealogy 135 00:10:27,850 --> 00:10:31,570 dating back hundreds of years, but rather than being a literal 136 00:10:31,570 --> 00:10:38,090 guide to Jesus's ancestors, they contain a message as to who 137 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:41,490 they believed Jesus really was, the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. 138 00:10:43,970 --> 00:10:48,450 First of all, amongst several peoples, 139 00:10:48,450 --> 00:10:51,450 genealogies per se are important. It's part of your past, 140 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:55,330 you should know where you've come from, as well as where you're headed to. 141 00:10:55,330 --> 00:10:58,650 The whole idea that the son of a simple carpenter 142 00:10:58,650 --> 00:11:04,570 from Nazareth... But if you say he is a descendant of David, then it's 143 00:11:04,570 --> 00:11:10,330 different, because there had been the tradition that the Messiah 144 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:13,130 would be a descendant of the royal house of David. 145 00:11:13,130 --> 00:11:16,970 So the genealogy there is very, very pertinent. 146 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:22,650 David is the crucial kingly figure in the Old Testament, the model of an ideal king. 147 00:11:22,650 --> 00:11:26,130 The first divinely approved King of Israel. And so he becomes 148 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:31,570 the template that the New Testament authors draw on when they want to describe Jesus as an ideal king. 149 00:11:31,570 --> 00:11:35,210 Jesus is the second David, if you like, the son of David. 150 00:11:35,210 --> 00:11:39,850 Matthew's Gospel is arranged in three blocks of 14 ancestors, and this number 14 is probably 151 00:11:39,850 --> 00:11:43,130 significant because numerically, it can refer 152 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:46,130 to the name David. 153 00:11:46,130 --> 00:11:48,890 The Hebrew letters... 154 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:53,530 Four plus six plus four makes 14. 155 00:11:53,530 --> 00:11:59,210 And so Matthew's genealogy shouts to us that Jesus is David, David, David, the son of David. 156 00:11:59,210 --> 00:12:06,090 Luke's Gospel is rather different in having a genealogy which goes back not to David, but actually to Adam. 157 00:12:06,090 --> 00:12:09,890 And so Luke is perhaps using his genealogy to present the fact 158 00:12:09,890 --> 00:12:14,010 that Jesus is not a narrowly Jewish Messiah... 159 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:17,770 He is a Jewish Messiah, but he's not one who is only for Israel, 160 00:12:17,770 --> 00:12:23,570 but he's someone who has come for all the descendants of Adam. 161 00:12:23,570 --> 00:12:27,770 So Luke has a more universal outlook in his genealogy. 162 00:12:30,010 --> 00:12:31,210 "And the angel said to her, 163 00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:34,730 "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have 164 00:12:34,730 --> 00:12:38,050 "found favour with God. And behold, 165 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:43,810 "you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call him Jesus." 166 00:12:57,330 --> 00:13:03,170 The miraculous conception in Matthew's Gospel and in Luke's Gospel is vital 167 00:13:03,170 --> 00:13:09,450 to the drama. First, that it is an action that comes about purely by 168 00:13:09,450 --> 00:13:13,370 'divine intervention, it does not come about by the natural human means. 169 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:15,690 'And so salvation is said to be entirely of God. 170 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:20,410 'On the other hand though, it is a real conception and so he is a real human being. 171 00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:25,170 'And so we see the two sides of Jesus's identity, that he is truly man but also divine. 172 00:13:25,170 --> 00:13:32,290 'As the line in Matthew's Gospel puts it, that he's "Emmanuel", which in Hebrew means "God with us." 173 00:13:32,290 --> 00:13:36,490 'He's truly God, but he's also truly with us.' 174 00:13:36,490 --> 00:13:41,130 When the early Christians read these infancy narratives in Matthew's Gospel and Luke's Gospel, 175 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:44,370 they probably took them literally and probably assumed that these 176 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:46,330 things did really happen to Jesus. 177 00:13:46,330 --> 00:13:48,290 But they certainly wouldn't stop there. 178 00:13:48,290 --> 00:13:50,970 'They wouldn't think of that as the primary point, 179 00:13:50,970 --> 00:13:54,410 'they would think of these accounts 180 00:13:54,410 --> 00:13:56,050 'as telling them how 181 00:13:56,050 --> 00:14:01,930 'Jesus was God's son. So we see the fulfilment of prophecy all the way through these infancy narratives.' 182 00:14:01,930 --> 00:14:05,130 Genealogies as well. And these things tell us, 183 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:09,130 told the early Christians, that Jesus didn't just come out of a clear blue sky, 184 00:14:09,130 --> 00:14:13,930 but he was planned by God to have come at this particular time. 185 00:14:16,130 --> 00:14:17,970 "And you, o Bethlehem in 186 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:22,650 "the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah. 187 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:25,290 "For from you shall come a ruler who will shepherd my people, Israel." 188 00:14:29,810 --> 00:14:35,210 Geography is important here, because Bethlehem is a crucial town in the Old Testament. 189 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:38,850 It's a small town and politically and economically insignificant, 190 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:42,250 but it's famous by association with David. 191 00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:47,370 David's father, Jesse, was called Jesse of Bethlehem and so David may have been born there. 192 00:14:47,370 --> 00:14:53,130 He certainly came from there and lived his early life there. And crucially as well, he was also 193 00:14:53,130 --> 00:14:57,250 anointed as King there. Then we have, developing out of that, a prophecy that 194 00:14:57,250 --> 00:15:02,530 a ruler will come out of Bethlehem who will shepherd Israel. 195 00:15:02,530 --> 00:15:08,330 And this is the prophecy that Matthew picks up on, the prophecy of Micah, which Jesus is then said to fulfil. 196 00:15:08,330 --> 00:15:13,410 Over the centuries, historians and scientists have debated the Star of 197 00:15:13,410 --> 00:15:17,490 Bethlehem and have tried to come up with a rational explanation. 198 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:22,610 A comet or a planet, or even a previously unknown supernova. 199 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:26,130 But none has proved totally convincing. 200 00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:31,450 Many scholars now believe the star is more of a symbolic device, a 201 00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:36,010 biblical metaphor that would have had particular meaning to 1st-century Jews. 202 00:15:36,010 --> 00:15:41,770 The Star which leads the Magoi, the three wise men so-called, to Jesus, is significant as an 203 00:15:41,770 --> 00:15:49,450 indicator, another indicator of Jesus's supernatural identity, Jesus's heavenly nature. 204 00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:53,090 And it alludes I think most particularly to a prophecy in the 205 00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:58,730 Old Testament in the book of Numbers where we're told that a star will come out of Jacob. 206 00:15:58,730 --> 00:16:04,210 The prophecy of Balaam in the Book of Numbers... 207 00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:06,930 "A Star has arisen from heaven." 208 00:16:06,930 --> 00:16:09,890 But is The Messiah the anointed King? 209 00:16:09,890 --> 00:16:15,610 of course, the anointed King is a kind of Star, or the son of a Star. 210 00:16:15,610 --> 00:16:22,290 All these metaphors are very pertinent metaphors and it's very natural they were being used. 211 00:16:22,290 --> 00:16:28,330 This star also connects up with something in Luke's Gospel where we're told in quite similar terms 212 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:31,730 that Jesus is like a light, he's the day spring, the day star that comes 213 00:16:31,730 --> 00:16:37,930 from on high and this again is a fulfilment of Old Testament prophecy, this time from the book of Isaiah, 214 00:16:37,930 --> 00:16:43,690 in which the light from on high will come and shine on those in darkness. 215 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:51,490 "And behold, the star that they had seen when it rose went before them 216 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:56,250 "until it came to rest over the place where the child was." 217 00:16:56,250 --> 00:17:00,930 The incident with the so-called three wise men is a fascinating one and it's 218 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:06,530 one which has been particularly embroidered and romanticised in later Christian history. 219 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:10,450 So we don't even know from Matthew's Gospel whether there were three of them, they certainly weren't 220 00:17:10,450 --> 00:17:18,330 'three kings, they're not described particularly as wise men, they're described as "Magoi" and "Magoi" 221 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:25,610 'in Greek are really astronomers or astrologers, people who use the stars for perhaps magical purposes. 222 00:17:27,610 --> 00:17:29,170 'The shepherds also appear on the scene 223 00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:32,810 'in Luke's Gospel and in some ways the point of the shepherds is that' 224 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:37,650 the message of Jesus is not just for the elites and priests and the nobles, 225 00:17:37,650 --> 00:17:40,250 but also for very ordinary shepherds. 226 00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:45,130 According to one of the Gospels, as soon as he was born, Jesus was in danger. 227 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:48,850 Not only was he portrayed as a potential challenger to the 228 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:56,130 Roman Emperor, but closer to home, he was also depicted as a rival to the King of the Jews - Herod. 229 00:17:58,370 --> 00:18:02,090 "Now when they had departed, behold an angel of the Lord 230 00:18:02,090 --> 00:18:05,770 "appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, 231 00:18:05,770 --> 00:18:07,250 "Rise take the child and his mother, 232 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:09,210 "and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell 233 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:15,890 "you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him." 234 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:20,690 Of all the characters in the birth stories, King Herod is one of the 235 00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:26,410 few for whom we have alternative contemporary historical sources. 236 00:18:26,410 --> 00:18:29,330 We know that he existed at the time of Jesus' birth, that he 237 00:18:29,330 --> 00:18:34,690 was the King of Judaea, a client kingdom within the Roman Empire. 238 00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:40,210 Today, the ruins of his winter palace, Herodion, 239 00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:43,090 still overlook the town of Bethlehem. 240 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:47,850 'In the last decade of his life Herod was an old man. 241 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:50,770 'So there were a lot of people around waiting for him to die. 242 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:53,330 'So that last decade of his life is filled 243 00:18:53,330 --> 00:18:57,130 'according to Josephus with lots of suspicion on both sides and lots of conspiracies' 244 00:18:57,130 --> 00:19:01,170 real or imagined, and accordingly lots of people getting killed 245 00:19:01,170 --> 00:19:03,250 by the old King who was afraid 246 00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:04,810 of conspiracies around him. 247 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:09,490 In that context you have to understand the Gospel story which talks about Herod being afraid of 248 00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:14,730 yet another competitor coming along for the crown of the Jewish kingdom. 249 00:19:14,730 --> 00:19:19,570 According to the Gospel stories, Herod was so incensed by Jesus as 250 00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:24,930 a possible rival to his throne that he ordered his troops to massacre 251 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:27,650 all the male babies in Bethlehem. 252 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:34,370 'I think the story as you have it is probably something with no claim to historical truth as having happened, 253 00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:38,370 'but rather reflecting an antipathy to Herod which 254 00:19:38,370 --> 00:19:41,010 'in this case takes the form of, well let's compare him to Pharaoh.' 255 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:46,730 And just as Pharaoh presided over the persecution of Jewish boys at the time when a redeemer of the 256 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:52,090 Jews was born according to the book of Exodus, namely Moses, so too if a new Moses is going to come along, 257 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:55,290 he better have his Pharaoh who tries to kill him as well. 258 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:59,810 So it became very convenient to focus on Herod as Jesus's opposite number. 259 00:19:59,810 --> 00:20:04,370 And if one is very, very good then the other has to be very, very bad, that is the way these things work. 260 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:11,290 Egypt is ,of course, in New Testament times the old enemy of the nation of Israel. 261 00:20:11,290 --> 00:20:14,330 Israel had been captive in Egypt for hundreds of years. 262 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:17,810 They'd been slaves there, they'd been oppressed there. 263 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:20,330 So for Joseph to take Mary and Jesus there 264 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:26,170 means that things had got really desperate in the land of Israel under the murderous rule of King Herod. 265 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:32,810 But it's also a response to prophecy because in the book of Hosea there is a prophecy which 266 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:36,570 is picked up by Matthew's Gospel 267 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:38,210 about God's son coming out of Egypt. 268 00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:40,130 So again Jesus is depicted, as in this case, 269 00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:43,330 unwittingly fulfilling prophecy. 270 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:50,290 I think the purpose of the Gospels is to tell the readers and the believers about the 271 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:57,810 life and death and resurrection of a redeeming figure and one of the things that you are entitled 272 00:20:57,810 --> 00:21:02,530 to expect in ancient stories about such heroes is something miraculous about their birth. 273 00:21:02,530 --> 00:21:05,850 So whether it's a miraculous 274 00:21:05,850 --> 00:21:10,690 salvation from a very great threat as you have in Matthew or whether 275 00:21:10,690 --> 00:21:16,810 it's being born as the result of an extraordinary prophecy as you have in Luke, one way or the other 276 00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:21,810 the point of the infancy stories is to ensure that from the very first 277 00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:27,770 moment, this redeeming figure has been underwritten by God. 278 00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:35,290 After Jesus's birth, the Gospels are almost completely silent about what happened next. 279 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:38,250 We are told that his family returned to Nazareth 280 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:42,010 but there is only one story about his childhood in Galilee. 281 00:21:42,010 --> 00:21:47,250 It has led to a lot of wild speculation as to what Jesus was doing during those years... 282 00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:50,290 how he might have travelled all over the Middle East and Egypt 283 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:55,810 and even as far as India and Tibet to study with Eastern mystics. 284 00:22:00,010 --> 00:22:04,210 There is one area of biblical research that can take our knowledge of the 285 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:09,770 past beyond the written sources and help to explain Jesus's lost years 286 00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:12,370 and the world in which he grew up. 287 00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:18,770 I think there is a gap in terms of the narration about Jesus's life 288 00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:23,450 really because it didn't serve the interests of the Gospel writers. 289 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:25,930 They were trying to write something else so they don't 290 00:22:25,930 --> 00:22:29,290 mind putting in miraculous birth in at least two of them. 291 00:22:29,290 --> 00:22:35,530 And Luke doesn't mind putting in the story about Jesus being around 12 to show he's precocious. 292 00:22:35,530 --> 00:22:38,650 John starts off with creation 293 00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:42,810 so then they are trying to get us to the ministry apparently. 294 00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:46,210 So they just simply jump ahead to the ministry. 295 00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:52,970 So we are left to surmise that he grew up more or less like everyone else in Galilee. 296 00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:56,530 Now what archaeology does for us is show us what that might look like. 297 00:22:56,530 --> 00:23:03,330 Professor James Strange is one of the world's leading biblical archaeologists. 298 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:06,930 For the last 30 years he has been excavating one of Galilee's most 299 00:23:06,930 --> 00:23:10,370 important 1st century cities, Sepphoris. 300 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:14,050 Professor Strange believes that because Jesus's home village 301 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:19,530 of Nazareth was just two hours' walk away, he could very possibly 302 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:22,170 have visited and worked here. 303 00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:29,850 Well, here we are on the main road of Sepphoris and people would be streaming in from behind me towards 304 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:35,970 Tiberius, they would have been coming from Nazareth, from ancient Garis, from other places. 305 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:42,650 'They're coming here to buy, to sell, to look for a physician, whatever it is they need. 306 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:48,770 'They come in, sometimes because they're curious, but sometimes they're looking for work,' 307 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:53,930 so this, this is going to be an ideal place to do exactly that. 308 00:23:57,930 --> 00:24:00,490 "Is not this the carpenter's son? 309 00:24:00,490 --> 00:24:03,730 "Is not his mother called Mary?" 310 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:07,210 Hidden away in the Gospels, in a description of Jesus as 311 00:24:07,210 --> 00:24:14,890 he begins his ministry in Galilee, is a single verse that provides a few clues as to Jesus' early life. 312 00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:19,530 Traditionally Jesus has been described as a "carpenter", 313 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:24,290 but a more accurate translation of the original Greek word "tekton" 314 00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:27,570 would be a "general builder". 315 00:24:27,570 --> 00:24:33,090 Jesus and his father and presumably his brothers then, as a tekton, 316 00:24:33,090 --> 00:24:38,170 means a family that is understood to be working with their hands 317 00:24:38,170 --> 00:24:43,970 and they have all the skills and knowledge they have to have to work with wood and to work with stone. 318 00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:49,690 So this is fundamental to living here. 319 00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:54,170 That makes Jesus and his family ideal for such a 320 00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:57,690 place as this when it's undergoing construction for the first time. 321 00:25:00,050 --> 00:25:05,490 During Jesus's childhood, Sepphoris was undergoing a major building boom 322 00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:08,250 under the local King, Herod Antipas. 323 00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:15,370 For Jesus and his brothers, this would have been an ideal place to have looked for work. 324 00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:20,730 Well, five, six kilometres away is ancient Nazareth itself, 325 00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:24,730 where Jesus lives with his father and his brothers and sisters and mother, 326 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:32,410 so it's not at all out of reason that he would be here with his father as the eldest, looking for work. 327 00:25:32,410 --> 00:25:39,570 So I think of this as an ideal place to contextualise Jesus as a 328 00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:44,490 jobbing builder who builds projects for anything from houses 329 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:49,290 or as small as an ox yoke all the way up to working on frameworks 330 00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:53,010 and doing stone-cutting for large buildings. 331 00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:58,290 We can see the 1st century cut stones reflected everywhere we look. 332 00:26:00,890 --> 00:26:07,530 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? 333 00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:09,890 "And are not his sisters here with us?" 334 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:17,770 The Gospel accounts appear to suggest that Jesus had an extended blood family. 335 00:26:17,770 --> 00:26:21,290 In fact, in the 1st century Jewish world in which he lived, 336 00:26:21,290 --> 00:26:25,130 not having any brothers or sisters would have been very unusual. 337 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:28,170 But over the centuries, the idea of Jesus having 338 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:32,770 a close family has posed a problem for some Christian denominations. 339 00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:37,570 We understand from scripture that Jesus came from an extended family. 340 00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:40,850 It was not simply Joseph, Mary and Jesus living in the household, 341 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:44,410 but there were siblings, at least four more brothers whose names we 342 00:26:44,410 --> 00:26:50,010 know and at least two more sisters and maybe more, unfortunately we don't know their names. 343 00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:54,370 According to Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians, Jesus's mother, 344 00:26:54,370 --> 00:27:00,730 Mary, was a perpetual virgin, and that after giving birth to him she had no further children. 345 00:27:00,730 --> 00:27:06,570 So they believe his brothers and sisters are not blood relations of Jesus. 346 00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:12,450 'The traditional explanation for the brothers of Jesus, for example, in the Greek Orthodox church and 347 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:18,610 'the Roman Catholic church has been that Joseph was a widower and he had children from his first marriage who 348 00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:26,570 'became the step brothers of Jesus and that would put Jesus as the only child of Mary. 349 00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:28,690 'In the Protestant tradition they see these children 350 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:33,170 'as being the biological children of Joseph and Mary born after Jesus. 351 00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:36,370 'So in whatever way you want to explain it though,' 352 00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:40,210 we understand that Jesus doesn't grow up as an only child. 353 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:44,290 When Jesus was growing up, Nazareth was just a small village 354 00:27:44,290 --> 00:27:50,530 of less than 500 people but today it is a huge city in modern Israel. 355 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,010 No remains of the ancient village had ever been found 356 00:27:55,010 --> 00:28:02,450 until two years ago, when an extraordinary find was uncovered near the centre of the city. 357 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:11,930 Well, around 2009, some builders were trying to build something here and when they drove the foundations down 358 00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:15,810 they discovered something they thought would be of interest to archaeologists. 359 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:18,290 So that's exactly what they did. 360 00:28:18,290 --> 00:28:22,970 They called in the archaeologists so that they could check this and when 361 00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:26,210 they went down far enough they found they were in a 1st century house. 362 00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:29,490 This is a very exciting find. We have people who are still so 363 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:33,290 sceptical that they claim there is no Nazareth in the first century. 364 00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:39,170 So it's a wonderful confirmation that we were not mistaken. There really is a 1st century Nazareth. 365 00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:46,010 According to the archaeologists it was a very simple building, 366 00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:50,890 single storey, made of mud and stone with two rooms and a courtyard. 367 00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:54,210 They also found clay and chalk vessels that were known to be 368 00:28:54,210 --> 00:29:01,890 used by Galilean Jews at that time, an indication that the house was lived in by a devout Jewish family. 369 00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:10,890 'By looking at the Gospel of Luke, for example, we can see that Jesus 370 00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:16,330 'was born into a Jewish family that was religiously observant. 371 00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:21,730 'They were pious people, they prayed, they went on pilgrimage to Jerusalem and it was their custom.' 372 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:25,690 They circumcised him on the eighth day, they announced his name, they 373 00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:29,330 'paid the redemption price of a new born son and so the picture we get 374 00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:36,290 'of Jesus's family is a family that is deeply embedded in its Jewish identity and its Jewish tradition.' 375 00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:42,490 Well, religion in the first century is not a separate category, it suffuses your life, you know. 376 00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:49,490 The modern idea of religion as being some aspect of your life is very, very modern or post modern for some. 377 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:53,570 So in the first century it is a sort of a given. 378 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:57,090 You know there is a God in the universe that God has made all that there is. 379 00:29:57,090 --> 00:30:00,210 'Jesus brought a message that he learned in his own childhood. 380 00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:06,490 'His classroom was the streets of a Jewish town and he watched shepherds 381 00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:13,170 'with their sheep and goats, he watched farmers in the field as they spread grain, he watched fathers 382 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:16,730 'with their children and he thought about these things that he observed. 383 00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:21,170 'They became the images that he would later use in his parables 384 00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:24,410 'so that when he launched his public ministry 385 00:30:24,410 --> 00:30:27,130 'and he spoke to everyday people on the street - 386 00:30:27,130 --> 00:30:34,570 'tax collectors, sinners, women he could speak to them about God in language that they understood.' 387 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:38,370 Well, the lost years of Jesus from 12 to 30, 388 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:43,210 I think he's a fully fledged member of his family and of his village. 389 00:30:43,210 --> 00:30:50,290 We would expect him to then, as a first born son, to be married, 390 00:30:50,290 --> 00:30:51,570 but he's not. 391 00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:59,250 We would also expect him to, if something has happened to Joseph, for example, since Joseph 392 00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:05,010 disappears in the narrative, if he was killed in an accident or just died of an infection, 393 00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:10,250 then it falls upon Jesus to stay home and take care of his mother. He didn't do that. 394 00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:14,490 'We would not expect him to have detailed knowledge of Jewish 395 00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:18,890 'traditions, temple traditions and scriptures themselves.' 396 00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:21,530 But he apparently does 397 00:31:21,530 --> 00:31:26,770 and so we're confounded each time we make this prediction about Jesus. 398 00:31:26,770 --> 00:31:32,090 We're very good about predicting what we would find if we dig in an environment like Sepphoris, 399 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:37,850 we're much less successful in predicting what Jesus would turn out to be. 400 00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:43,810 Most biblical scholars consider Mark to be the earliest Gospel 401 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:48,130 probably written about 40 years after Jesus's death. 402 00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:53,290 And it begins not with the story of Jesus's birth or his early life, 403 00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:58,610 but with the account of one of the most enigmatic and misunderstood people in the New Testament. 404 00:31:58,610 --> 00:32:06,010 A person who had a profound influence on both Jesus and Christianity - 405 00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:07,530 John the Baptist. 406 00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:16,250 Dr Joan Taylor is an expert on John the Baptist 407 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:21,490 and believes the later Church downplayed his real significance in Jesus' life story. 408 00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:25,050 'The whole story of Jesus, 409 00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:28,850 'the whole story of the Kingdom of God, 410 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:35,250 'the beginning of Christianity, begins at this point here at the Jordan River. 411 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:40,650 'It's just extraordinary to come here now and see these crowds, these tourists 412 00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:46,970 'who've come from all over the world, still being drawn by the power of that moment,' 413 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:53,890 that moment when Jesus came to John the Baptist and something happened that would change everything. 414 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:06,330 "In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptised by John in the Jordan. 415 00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:09,170 "And when he came up out of the water, 416 00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:13,290 "immediately he saw the heavens being torn open 417 00:33:13,330 --> 00:33:17,250 "and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 418 00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:20,210 "And a voice came from heaven, 419 00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:24,250 "You are my beloved Son, with you I am well pleased." 420 00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:37,210 Now, all the other Gospel writers wanted to re-write that story. 421 00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:42,530 It just sounded so much, it just sounds so much like John is the top 422 00:33:42,530 --> 00:33:49,170 guy and Jesus is this man who is in need of repentance 423 00:33:49,170 --> 00:33:54,170 and comes to John looking for a new life. 424 00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:59,810 That's kind of what John was calling people to experience. 425 00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:01,890 So they made him safe. Matthew makes him safe in 426 00:34:01,890 --> 00:34:07,770 that John the Baptist says to Jesus, "I should be baptising you. 427 00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:10,690 '"Why do you come to me?" 428 00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:15,170 'Luke has the baptism in that Jesus is baptised with everybody else, 429 00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:20,530 'but then he has Jesus experiencing his vision after he's baptised, 430 00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:24,730 'so he detaches it from John. 431 00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:28,650 'And then in the fourth Gospel, the Gospel of John, John is all the 432 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:32,650 'time pointing to Jesus and saying you know, "Behold the Lamb of God. Go after him."' 433 00:34:32,650 --> 00:34:37,650 According to other contemporary 1st century sources, 434 00:34:37,650 --> 00:34:41,650 John the Baptist was a major religious leader, 435 00:34:41,650 --> 00:34:44,210 but today in mainstream Christianity 436 00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:46,810 he is seen as the forerunner. 437 00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:49,570 His importance is only that he was the prophet 438 00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:52,450 who prepared the way for Jesus. 439 00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:59,410 John the Baptist as you know is the last one among the Prophets of the Old Testament 440 00:34:59,410 --> 00:35:01,130 and he's the first person 441 00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:03,730 mentioned in the New Testament. 442 00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:05,010 Practically the Gospel of Luke 443 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:06,930 starts off with the birth of John the Baptist... 444 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,250 Mm hm. 445 00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:14,890 because John the Baptist is a type of watershed between the Old Testament and the New Testament. 446 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:18,050 He is known as the forerunner of Jesus Christ. 447 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:21,490 But John is really inferior to Jesus in that account, isn't he? 448 00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:23,370 He's related, but he's down there. 449 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:25,010 Jesus is the man. 450 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:30,450 Well John, in John's Gospel, in St John's Gospel, you know, we have these words of John the Baptist. 451 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:33,490 "He should become greater and I have to become lesser." 452 00:35:35,490 --> 00:35:41,490 A lot of what was known about John the Baptist in the first century has been lost 453 00:35:41,490 --> 00:35:48,450 because it was not convenient for Christianity to remember too much. 454 00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:56,130 There are little clues here and there about what John was really up to, but in a way we have to bracket out 455 00:35:56,130 --> 00:36:02,650 what scholars call the apologetic texts, which make John safe, which 456 00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:09,170 give him a meaning that is very secondary to Jesus's meaning. 457 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:16,490 Archaeologist Dr Shimon Gibson has spent a life time investigating the 458 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:20,130 many biblical locations connected with John the Baptist. 459 00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:25,690 He is convinced he has now identified a new site never before filmed. 460 00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:31,330 "John was also baptizing at Aenon near Salim 461 00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:34,290 "because water was plentiful there 462 00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:38,170 "and people were coming and being baptized. 463 00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:44,370 We're on top of Tel Shalem, which is identified as 464 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,850 Salim, and you can look all the way round you. 465 00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:50,290 That's towards the north towards Bet She'an. 466 00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:53,410 We have the Trans Jordanian Mountains over there. 467 00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:58,810 And then at the foot of this Tel, we have a very large spring complex. 468 00:36:58,810 --> 00:37:02,530 It's one of 13 or so, sort of springs in the vicinity 469 00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:05,210 and this one is identified as Aenon. 470 00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:08,810 Look, I've even got a map here. Let me just show you. 471 00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:11,090 Here you can see we're standing here. 472 00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:14,090 - Right. - And look at all these blue spots. 473 00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:15,810 They all represent sources of water. 474 00:37:15,810 --> 00:37:19,450 Well, I can see the blue spots. They're absolutely everywhere all around us. 475 00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:23,090 The site is part of an old Israeli army fort that dates back to the 476 00:37:23,090 --> 00:37:29,690 late 1960s when Israel was still at war with its neighbour Jordan. 477 00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:31,250 No excavations have taken place here. 478 00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:34,330 It's a site that hardly anybody comes to 479 00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:38,650 and indeed, probably this is the first time that it's being filmed. 480 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:42,730 And what was surprising for me, on the slope over there, 481 00:37:42,730 --> 00:37:45,650 I came across pottery, which dates from that period. 482 00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:51,410 According to the Gospels, John the Baptist preached a 483 00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:54,450 baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins, 484 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:59,330 which for 1st Century Jews was a revolutionary concept. 485 00:37:59,330 --> 00:38:04,090 Jews did immerse in water, but for reasons of ritual purity. 486 00:38:04,090 --> 00:38:07,890 For John, baptism meant something very different. 487 00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:18,210 It's interesting to notice that it's not only about the ritual value of purity, 488 00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:23,890 but also at least in the case of John the Baptist, about atonement. 489 00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:31,010 If you want to be atoned, if you want to be answered by God, acceptance, I would say, 490 00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:33,490 you have first to clean your 491 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:38,010 'heart to bring you into a new, 492 00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:40,930 'a new status in front of God, I would say.' 493 00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:45,170 'So that's why in the Gospels of Luke and Matthew he challenges people 494 00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:47,610 'who come to him and he says, 495 00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:53,650 '"You brood of vipers. Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" 496 00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:56,850 'It's a very kind of provocative statement.' 497 00:38:56,850 --> 00:39:01,730 'And the Jordan River is a great river for that.' 498 00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:07,290 The River Jordan had a huge symbolic importance for 1st century Jews. 499 00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:12,730 According to the Old Testament, it was here where their ancestors 500 00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:17,090 led by Joshua had first crossed into the Promised Land. 501 00:39:18,610 --> 00:39:22,330 And you know, all those parallels work very well. 502 00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:25,290 You imagine oneself enter into the land. 503 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:29,890 You imagine oneself enters into new identity. 504 00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:33,410 - You imagine oneself enter into new self perception and so on. - Right. 505 00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:40,290 Joan Taylor is convinced that if you examine the Gospel accounts carefully, 506 00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:44,530 they reveal how close John and Jesus really were 507 00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:47,810 and that in fact Jesus may well have been part of John's movement. 508 00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:50,090 One of his disciples. 509 00:39:50,090 --> 00:39:54,290 'The other thing that I think is very important about 510 00:39:54,290 --> 00:40:02,210 'John the Baptist that tends to be downplayed in most of the traditions about him is that he was a teacher. 511 00:40:02,210 --> 00:40:09,690 'And that particular element of John is only really preserved in the Gospel of Luke.' 512 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:14,610 'All the other gospels, all the other early Christian writers, 513 00:40:14,610 --> 00:40:18,570 'want to forget about that, because it's Jesus who is the real teacher.' 514 00:40:18,570 --> 00:40:22,450 For Joan Taylor, the original Greek of the New Testament reveals 515 00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:28,130 more clues as to the nature of the relationship between John and Jesus, 516 00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:32,010 and how John may even have been the originator of the Lord's Prayer. 517 00:40:35,890 --> 00:40:41,770 "Now, Jesus was praying in a certain place and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, 518 00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:46,690 'Lord teach us to pray just as John taught his disciples.'" 519 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:52,170 There are some interesting possibilities in terms of 520 00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:56,890 overlap between the teaching of Jesus and the teaching of John, 521 00:40:56,890 --> 00:41:01,410 and one of the most interesting places... 522 00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:07,090 is in connection with the Lukan Version of the Lord's Prayer. 523 00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:13,010 And that word, "just as", "kathos", is kind of striking 524 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:17,890 because it's ambiguous whether or not Jesus replies and gives them 525 00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:25,170 a new prayer, you know, "As John taught his disciples to pray, I now give you a new prayer", 526 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:31,970 or, in fact, identically the prayer John the Baptist taught his disciples. 527 00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:39,250 And it's just so peculiar that there is that ambiguity, given the tendency to minimise John. 528 00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:45,250 It's clear from all the other contemporary historical sources 529 00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:49,170 that John was an important religious figure in Galilee and Judaea in the 1st Century. 530 00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:55,210 So much so, that he became a threat to the local king - Herod Antipas. 531 00:41:57,210 --> 00:42:00,370 Remember that there are thousands of followers. 532 00:42:00,370 --> 00:42:03,210 I mean, he was really a force to contend with. 533 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:06,370 He was the guy that Herod Antipas hated and feared. 534 00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:12,050 And it's the expansion of his strength, roughly about 28 CE, 535 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:15,650 that really puts the fear into Herod Antipas, and that's it. 536 00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:17,930 He's got to get rid of him. 537 00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:23,890 The Gospels also contain the story of John's death. 538 00:42:23,890 --> 00:42:28,450 How he was thrown into prison by Herod Antipas after he had 539 00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:32,890 spoken out about Herod's marriage to his brother's former wife, 540 00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:36,330 and how, in order to placate his wife, Herod had John beheaded. 541 00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:47,570 For Joan Taylor, John is an absolutely crucial figure in the story of Jesus. 542 00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:52,330 The man who started him on his mission to change the world. 543 00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:58,610 Jesus experienced something absolutely profound here at the Jordan River, 544 00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:03,450 and he also felt that this was a momentous beginning himself. 545 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:07,690 It's a visionary experience, and it's inner. 546 00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:12,730 It's something that he himself experiences, 547 00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:17,770 and then the only way anyone would have known about it is if he had told them, 548 00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:20,690 "This is what happened to me." And it validated him. 549 00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:24,090 He was now Son of God, 550 00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:26,530 and he was also given the power of prophecy. 551 00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:29,330 The Holy Spirit is the prophetic spirit, 552 00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:34,130 so he has the authority now to preach his own mission. 553 00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:42,250 In the Gospel accounts, it was only after John the Baptist's execution by Herod Antipas 554 00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:45,610 that Jesus began his own ministry. 555 00:43:45,610 --> 00:43:49,490 He started wandering the villages and towns of Galilee, 556 00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:50,770 preaching his message to the people. 557 00:43:50,770 --> 00:43:56,370 He also gathered around him a group of followers - his disciples. 558 00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:00,690 He recruited them from among the ordinary people of Galilee - 559 00:44:00,690 --> 00:44:05,410 fishermen, farmers, workers, even tax collectors. 560 00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:07,450 Some were also women. 561 00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:14,570 Jesus also performed a series of acts that form one of the most contentious aspects of his life - 562 00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:18,090 a set of miraculous deeds that are still hotly debated today. 563 00:44:19,850 --> 00:44:24,010 Were these miracles actual historical events, 564 00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:25,850 or just symbolic figurative acts? 565 00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:31,650 Any modern person in a scientific world is, is going to ask, 566 00:44:31,650 --> 00:44:34,850 you know, are these miracles legit? 567 00:44:34,850 --> 00:44:39,410 Or are they rather really a case of early Christian myth making, 568 00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:43,650 that early Christians admired and revered Jesus so much that eventually the stories 569 00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:48,050 about Jesus became magnified and he became this worker of great deeds. 570 00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:53,130 Well, your opinion on the question of whether miracles did happen or not 571 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:56,010 is really a religious question. 572 00:44:56,010 --> 00:44:59,290 Either you believe that such things are possible or you say, "No, we know better. 573 00:44:59,290 --> 00:45:02,810 "These aren't the kind of things that happen", and you discredit them. 574 00:45:02,810 --> 00:45:07,250 Dr Greg Carey is an expert in the early followers of Jesus. 575 00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:11,650 He believes Jesus' miracles have a sound basis in historical fact 576 00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:17,290 because he is convinced they were widely believed by the people at that time. 577 00:45:17,290 --> 00:45:22,770 For the Bible, a miracle is something dramatically unusual that happens. 578 00:45:22,770 --> 00:45:26,370 So unusual and maybe beneficial or revelatory 579 00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:31,730 that people would interpret it as an act of the gods, some sort of divine intervention. 580 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:35,930 The New Testament uses a couple of different words for miracle. 581 00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:42,450 It uses "dunamis", which simply means a powerful deed, a mighty accomplishment of some sort. 582 00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:48,250 And "semion", which indicates a sign, something that reveals something about Jesus' nature. 583 00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:51,890 On the one hand, they're a benefit for people, 584 00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:57,370 especially the healing miracles, but even occasionally, a nature miracle - such as turning water into wine. 585 00:45:57,370 --> 00:46:02,730 But the other dimension of the miracles is that they reveal something about Jesus. 586 00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:22,050 We are on a hill... 587 00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:25,370 with the ruins, the ruins of an ancient site. 588 00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:29,050 It's called by the Arabs, Khirbet Kana. 589 00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:33,290 And that's a very similar name to Cana, 590 00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:37,450 Cana from the New Testament, the place of the miracle of... 591 00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:40,010 transferring the water to wine. 592 00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:43,890 And that's why it was identified by some scholars 593 00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:46,650 as the place of the miracle. 594 00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:54,890 According to the Gospel account of this famous miracle, a large wedding party was suddenly disrupted by 595 00:46:54,890 --> 00:47:00,730 the wine running out, and Jesus was asked by his mother to intervene. 596 00:47:01,570 --> 00:47:04,170 People gathered from the nearby villages. 597 00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:11,650 Nazareth is just three miles away, four miles away from here as the crow flies, and people gathered 598 00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:16,930 from villages, this is why you have to do it for a few days, because people are coming from far away, 599 00:47:16,930 --> 00:47:20,930 and what reflects from the story 600 00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:23,610 in the Bible is a simple life. 601 00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:26,890 So suddenly, the wine was finished. 602 00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:33,050 The key part of the story occurred when Jesus told the servants to fill six stone jars with water 603 00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:37,610 and then to draw some out and take it to the Master of the Feast. 604 00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:42,290 "When the Master of the Feast tasted the water now become wine, 605 00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:45,770 "and did not know where it came from, 606 00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:48,130 "though the servants who had drawn the water knew." 607 00:47:49,610 --> 00:47:52,170 The Gospel of John, though, concludes the story not just 608 00:47:52,170 --> 00:47:56,250 by saying, "Oh, everyone says this is an amazing miracle", 609 00:47:56,250 --> 00:48:03,650 but by saying this was the first of Jesus' signs and the Gospel of John is trying to say that 610 00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:11,250 Jesus has the power to bring vitality and abundance, that living water will flow within them, because of Jesus. 611 00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:17,330 And that alludes to Biblical prophecies that wine would flow down the hills of Israel like water. 612 00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:21,130 There's a suggestion that Jesus is the one who brings life. 613 00:48:21,130 --> 00:48:24,090 That's a part of this miracle. 614 00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:27,770 At the site of Khirbet Kana, archaeologists have found 615 00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:32,210 a cave that they believe was used by early Christian pilgrims, who wanted 616 00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:36,530 to re-enact the famous miracle of turning water into wine 617 00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:41,090 and somehow share in its life-giving benefits. 618 00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:49,090 This was probably the beginning of the natural cave, but then, when Christians identified this place, 619 00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:55,650 they took this cave and changed it, transferred it into a sacred place. 620 00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:59,650 What they did here is only some kind of 621 00:48:59,650 --> 00:49:03,370 demonstration of the miracle itself, or to bring people in to see 622 00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:08,650 the exact place where the miracle really happened. 623 00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:12,770 So they would've re-enacted, in some sort of ritual way, the miracle, you think? 624 00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:14,450 I assume so. 625 00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:20,330 This is a great example of what pilgrims are doing when they're coming to a holy site. 626 00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:24,690 The miracle stories are an essential part of 627 00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:29,730 how the Gospels present Jesus and how early Christians understood Jesus. 628 00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:35,010 It's the case in the modern world that many people like to think of Jesus as a great moral teacher. 629 00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:39,210 But for the early Christians, it was just as important 630 00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:42,490 that Jesus could bring wholeness and wellness to people. 631 00:49:42,490 --> 00:49:46,650 The healings, for example, don't simply restore people to health, 632 00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:49,970 but they also restore people to their full place in society. 633 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:55,850 They're no longer marginalised by their disability or by their uncleanness. 634 00:49:55,850 --> 00:50:01,010 The second reason these stories are essential, though, is that they're all revelatory. 635 00:50:01,010 --> 00:50:04,610 He's the bringer of life and the bringer of vitality. 636 00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:08,450 But the miracles often are interpreted in terms of stories 637 00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:15,530 from Israel's past, or interpreted in terms of the great deeds that God has performed with Israel. 638 00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:20,570 This theme of abundance occurred throughout Jesus' miracles. 639 00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:26,930 The Gospels record two instances where he intervened to create miraculous catches of fish. 640 00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:32,050 The first occurred early in his ministry, when Jesus was calling his first disciples. 641 00:50:33,930 --> 00:50:39,650 He told some fishermen that if they went out into the deep water and cast their nets, they would land 642 00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:45,290 a huge catch of fish, so much so that it would fill their boats. 643 00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:51,610 The catch of fish is interesting, because this is people's livelihood. 644 00:50:51,610 --> 00:50:57,770 It's a story that suggests not only that Peter, and then James and John, will be followers of Jesus, 645 00:50:57,770 --> 00:51:01,730 but also that their work will be effective and abundant in its success. 646 00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:09,490 Greg Carey believes that because of a modern cynicism about miracles, many historians have downplayed 647 00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:12,290 their importance in Jesus' life story. 648 00:51:14,530 --> 00:51:19,210 It used to be that scholars would rationalise the miracle stories of Jesus. 649 00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:22,490 For example, one scholar famously suggested that, that the story 650 00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:25,850 of Jesus walking on water involved an illusion 651 00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:32,010 that Jesus was actually walking in a very shallow place and the disciples just thought he was walking on water. 652 00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:35,090 And I think the reason that scholars interpreted miracles 653 00:51:35,090 --> 00:51:40,050 that way, of course, being modern people, rationalistic, being of a scientific age, 654 00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:44,290 is that they tended to regard ancient people as superstitious or naive. 655 00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:48,730 But the reality is the ancient people were suspicious of miracle stories themselves 656 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:52,530 and they knew when something truly unusual was happening. 657 00:51:52,530 --> 00:51:57,010 So, chances are that what we really have with the stories of Jesus 658 00:51:57,010 --> 00:52:02,450 is that, in his own time and place, he did have a reputation as a miracle worker. 659 00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:08,530 Miracles and miracle-makers were a regular part of life for 1st century Jews. 660 00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:13,130 The Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible, is full of miraculous deeds that 661 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:16,810 people would've been very familiar with during Jesus' lifetime. 662 00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:22,130 Every revolution in religion has to look like a natural continuity. 663 00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:27,930 That's the way to do it, so that's why it was very important to present 664 00:52:27,930 --> 00:52:30,330 Jesus as one of the prophets, 665 00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:33,810 and if you look at the stories of Moses for instance, 666 00:52:33,810 --> 00:52:35,930 Moses crosses the Sea of Reeds. 667 00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:37,890 Of course, Jesus doesn't have to 668 00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:42,650 split the waters, he can walk upon the water, that's one example. 669 00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:47,050 You have also stories about bringing people back to life. 670 00:52:47,050 --> 00:52:52,810 Elijah does it, Elisha does it, so Jesus will do the same thing. 671 00:52:52,810 --> 00:52:54,930 There are contemporary accounts from Jewish sources 672 00:52:54,930 --> 00:53:00,730 of rabbis who wandered the land performing miraculous deeds. 673 00:53:00,730 --> 00:53:04,850 One of the most famous was called Honi the Circle Drawer. 674 00:53:04,850 --> 00:53:09,290 His grave is still a shrine for Orthodox Jews today. 675 00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:12,850 In this area, we never have enough rain, 676 00:53:12,850 --> 00:53:17,610 and year after year you have drought in this area 677 00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:22,690 and Honi was the guy who could force God, you know, to give us some rain. 678 00:53:22,690 --> 00:53:27,250 He drew a circle, stood within it and told God that he would never leave 679 00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:31,210 this circle until God let some rain fall. 680 00:53:31,210 --> 00:53:38,730 And indeed, God listened to him, because the relationship between Honi and God was like a relationship 681 00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:46,130 of a father, God the father and Honi the son, in a way quite similar to the relationship of Jesus and God. 682 00:53:47,330 --> 00:53:53,290 Like Honi, some of Jesus' most famous miracles involved his power over nature, 683 00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:56,930 something that would've been very familiar to 1st-century Jews, 684 00:53:56,930 --> 00:54:00,370 steeped in the traditions of the Old Testament. 685 00:54:00,370 --> 00:54:06,850 "And Jesus awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, 'Peace. 686 00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:12,610 'Be still.' And the wind ceased and there was a great calm." 687 00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:20,250 This is interesting as Psalm 107 says that when the storms come up and make people out on the sea afraid, 688 00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:26,250 God simply commands the waves to be peaceful and still. And they do. 689 00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:31,970 So when Jesus does this, in the Gospel of Mark, the disciples say, "What sort of man is this? 690 00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:33,850 "Even the wind and the sea obey him." 691 00:54:33,850 --> 00:54:37,970 But readers of the Hebrew Bible know the answer. 692 00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:42,730 This is the man who's doing the things that only the God of Israel can do. 693 00:54:43,690 --> 00:54:49,610 Jesus' reputation as a miracle-maker clearly grows through the Gospels. 694 00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:55,130 More than 35 of his miracles are detailed and they frequently drew huge crowds. 695 00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:58,130 But one of the most dramatic was performed to just three 696 00:54:58,130 --> 00:55:05,210 of his closest disciples, when he was transfigured, revealed, as the Son of God. 697 00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:09,490 "And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like 698 00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:13,130 "the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 699 00:55:13,130 --> 00:55:18,650 "And behold, there appeared to them, Moses and Elijah, talking with him." 700 00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:25,370 Greg Carey believes that for 1st-century Jews the transfiguration would've 701 00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:32,570 had another symbolic significance in aligning Jesus with some of the most famous Old Testament prophets. 702 00:55:32,570 --> 00:55:39,970 Moses, who represents the Torah, the law of Israel, and Elijah, one of the foremost of the prophets. 703 00:55:39,970 --> 00:55:46,490 Moses and Elijah have in common in the traditions of 1st-century Judaism that both of them escaped death, 704 00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:49,450 that both were taken up into Heaven rather than died. 705 00:55:49,450 --> 00:55:56,930 So that, in the transfiguration of Jesus, you have a story that not only is dramatic, but beyond that, 706 00:55:56,930 --> 00:56:01,090 connects Jesus with the traditions of Moses and Elijah 707 00:56:01,090 --> 00:56:04,970 and it also, in some ways, foreshadows that this Jesus, 708 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:09,810 though he will die, he's just told his disciples that he would suffer death, 709 00:56:09,810 --> 00:56:11,690 that resurrection awaits. 710 00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:18,170 For 1st-century Jews, Jesus' miracles were not only believable, 711 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:23,130 they were a crucial part of being a successful rabbi and religious leader. 712 00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:31,330 The way Jesus performs the miracles in the Gospel stories is interpreted as a sign that he is God's agent. 713 00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:35,330 He speaks on his own initiative and people respond and say, 714 00:56:35,330 --> 00:56:38,770 "What sort of man is this, who's able to make the sea calm?" 715 00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:42,130 What the Gospels are trying to communicate is that Jesus acts 716 00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:46,570 on his own initiative, that he is the agent of God's coming reign. 717 00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:50,530 There's a story that Matthew and Luke share, that John the Baptist 718 00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:55,770 sends disciples to Jesus and says, "Are you the one who's to come or should we be waiting for another?" 719 00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:57,850 And Jesus responds by telling them, "Well, 720 00:56:57,850 --> 00:57:02,210 "the lame are walking, the blind are having their sight restored." 721 00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:08,370 That's the answer to the question, that in the coming of Jesus, the reign of God is breaking into 722 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:13,610 the world and it does so by bringing wholeness to people and communities. 723 00:57:17,090 --> 00:57:24,490 According to the Gospels, Jesus was now established as a rabbi who could perform miracles and exorcisms. 724 00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:28,290 After John the Baptist's death, he had formed his own small movement 725 00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:34,170 and been revealed to his closest disciples as the Son of God. 726 00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:39,690 So now he could begin to spread his new teachings among the peoples of Galilee and Judaea, 727 00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:46,330 a dangerous message that would soon bring him into direct conflict with the ruling powers. 728 00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:49,810 In the next part, we will see how the Gospel story of Jesus 729 00:57:49,810 --> 00:57:55,490 reached its climax, resulting in the founding event of Christianity - 730 00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:58,650 his death and resurrection. 731 00:57:59,570 --> 00:58:01,250 I'd call Jesus a revolutionary. 732 00:58:01,250 --> 00:58:05,850 He did what revolutionaries do, he challenged the structures of power. 733 00:58:05,850 --> 00:58:09,210 The Roman soldiers were professional killers and especially they were 734 00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:13,690 good at killing people who were rebel leaders, which is how they saw Jesus. 735 00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:18,330 This was torture and we refuse to take it seriously. 736 00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:22,410 He is what Dorothy Sears calls, "The man born to die." 737 00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:46,490 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 738 00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:49,570 E-mail subtitling@bbc.co.uk