1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,000 This is a programme about abstract art. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,560 It's a subject that can be as heavy or as light as you like. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,240 For me, it's just natural because I'm always doing it 4 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,440 so I'm thinking about it all the time. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,360 But I also think about basic questions that many people have: 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,040 How do we respond to abstract art? 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,600 Is it supposed to be hard or easy? 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,920 Is it about something or does it exist entirely on its own? 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,000 You see, abstract artists chucking paint around, why be so vague? 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,880 But then when they're precise, how does that help? 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,720 These could seem unanswerable questions, but abstract art 12 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,720 has been around for 100 years now, and is an ongoing thing. 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,720 By exploring the private world of living abstract artists, 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,360 and looking at some key figures from abstract art's history, 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,240 I'm going to show you that in fact there are answers. 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Amid complicated and potentially confusing works, 17 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,200 there are hidden rules you might not expect. 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,080 Hey. 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,440 Hello, Matthew, lovely to see you. Lovely to see you. 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,640 No gap? 21 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,760 No gap, I'm going to get you to take some of it off. Oh, OK. 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,640 I work every day in a studio, paint abstract paintings 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,200 based on patterns together with my painting partner, Emma Biggs. 24 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,280 You know how sometimes you get scrapes into it? Yes. 25 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Can you get some scrapes into it? Yes, that kind of scrape. 26 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,680 Yes. Like that? OK. 27 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:05,160 But Emma's really the generator of the colours - she thinks them up, 28 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:10,160 she physically mixes them, she mixes up the paint and she places them. 29 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,040 I'm the applier. 30 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:18,040 It's a kind of double act which, most of the time, the main emphasis 31 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,160 is on what comes out of Emma's head. 32 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,680 Yeah, that's better. Yeah? Yeah. 33 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 The history of abstract art is really 34 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,080 a history of experiment, so a lot of things come up in experimentation. 35 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,560 You've got colour theory art. 36 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,640 People do very honourable and serious types of art 37 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:50,320 based on scientific ideas of what makes colours zing together. 38 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,400 Then you've got abstract art which is all about accident, 39 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,360 but all of them are trying to find some kind of visual metaphor 40 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,240 which will be rich enough for what one might call reality. 41 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,520 Art is partly ideas and theories 42 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,960 but it's really only anything at all because of how it looks. 43 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Looking is something you have to get used to. 44 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Here are some abstract squares. 45 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,040 The kind of thing people often glance at 46 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,080 and then turn away from baffled. 47 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,000 The one on the left is by Mondrian, a famous figure, 48 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,440 and the one on the right is by Liubov Popova who's less well 49 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,280 known - we'll be meeting both those artists later. 50 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Each painting has shapes that echo the basic shape of the thing 51 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 they appear on, the square shape of the canvas. 52 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,400 In hers you're seeing squares stretched out, fragmented, morphed 53 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,960 into triangles, tilted so they seem flying or full of movement. 54 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,640 In his abstract squares the colour is stark, based on contrast. 55 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,320 With hers the colour is continuous and sympathetic. 56 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,960 The grey and the pink are a softer version of the harder 57 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,720 black-red-white relationships. The grey and pink take the eye 58 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,920 back gradually, making space throughout seem three-dimensional. 59 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,840 So opening up to abstract values is an adventure 60 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,600 and you start by being willing to look. 61 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,720 The dynamism of the way in which shapes are placed prevents 62 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,800 you from reading that white as if it were a hole that can seen through. 63 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,120 It reads clearly as 'over' the other colours. 64 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,880 That's not easy to pull off, 65 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,560 it depends on the minor displacement of the angles everywhere. 66 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,840 Pink follows red and grey has a blue-green character that 67 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:07,880 also complements the red. 68 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,600 It's the colour in Popova's painting that contributes more than anything 69 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,560 else to the difference between her squares and Mondrian's squares. 70 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,800 If abstracts have got something to do with reality 71 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,520 but the artists aren't going to picture reality - why not? 72 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,120 And what reality are we talking about? 73 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Art had been expected to picture reality according to approaches 74 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,000 and styles that were acceptable to most people - 75 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,080 a lovely landscape by Rubens. 76 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,640 But then, in the 19th century, new ideas about reality meant 77 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,200 Cezanne could picture reality as patterned shapes. 78 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,880 In the early 20th century the Cubist painter Braque 79 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:15,560 responded to Cezanne by picturing reality as a flattened space. 80 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,960 A few years later abstract art responded to Cubism with shapes 81 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,640 and spaces only. 82 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,880 People's sense of what was real was up for grabs 83 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:35,040 because everyday existence was full of rapid change caused my science. 84 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,720 Artists saw spirituality as both a challenge to the 85 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,760 power of science and a way of harnessing it. 86 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,520 This counterintuitive idea came from the spiritual movement of 87 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Theosophy, which was founded in New York in 1875 by Helena Blavatsky. 88 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Blavatsky took aspects of eastern religion 89 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:04,280 and aspects of science, mostly evolution, and came up with 90 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,720 a spiritual movement based on evolution of the soul. 91 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Abstract art started at the very peak of Theosophy's popularity. 92 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,040 People thought spirituality was like X rays or infrared radiation 93 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,560 or electricity. 94 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,720 It could be revealed. 95 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,920 There were a lot of different artistic takes on the spiritual, 96 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,920 but the strangest was the earliest. 97 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Hilma Af Klint who was born in 1862 and lived and worked in Sweden. 98 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,920 These are paintings by her from 1907. 99 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,480 For decades nobody knew about them, but recently they've emerged 100 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,280 and started to be exhibited all the over the world. 101 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,760 From totally invisible she's become the main 102 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,400 excitement about historic abstract art. 103 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,120 A woman doing abstraction, plus doing it so it's full of meaning. 104 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,080 What kind of meaning? 105 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Abstract artists were into spirituality 106 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,720 but Af Klint thought of herself as being in touch with actual spirits. 107 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,920 She conducted seances in this room 108 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:11,200 and received messages from spirits who were called the High Masters. 109 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,320 She produced 23,000 pages of notes, working out what the 110 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,440 High Masters were telling her to paint. 111 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,760 It was all Theosophical meaning. 112 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:40,440 Theosophy says colours and shapes can symbolise the soul's journey. 113 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,080 The tip of a coloured pyramid is the soul arriving within 114 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,360 the golden circle of pure spirit. 115 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,440 And there's pure spirit, Theosophy claims, 116 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,320 when dark is balanced with light, masculine with feminine. 117 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,520 All Af Klint's painting are profoundly Theosophical. 118 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,440 The not-Theosophical thing about them is the general look. 119 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,640 This look doesn't come from spirits, 120 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,960 because, to risk controversy for a moment, there's no such 121 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,080 factual thing as a spirit - they are mental projections. 122 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,640 To have the ability to create such a mental projection without 123 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,720 suffering debilitating mental illness is a fantastic thing. 124 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,280 But when it comes to creating a work of art, a mental projection 125 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,680 alone isn't sufficient because art isn't made just from visions. 126 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,800 It's made from visual traditions, the other abstract artists, 127 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,240 rooted in the visual traditions of painting, 128 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,760 explained themselves only partly by spirituality. 129 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,160 With her it's everything. It was beamed down to her 130 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,680 by a High Master on the astral plane who commissioned paintings from her. 131 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:59,320 She knew what the reason was. 132 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,920 So that those down on the earthly plane, 133 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,920 if they've enlightened themselves enough, might benefit from them. 134 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,600 That could be you, so keep an open mind. 135 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,640 It was only recently, decades after her death in 1944, at 82, 136 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,720 that Af Klint became known. 137 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,920 Now her work is categorised as the first abstract art 138 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,000 but there's very little evidence she thought of it as art at all. 139 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,560 Rather than abstraction, a type of art that didn't exist in 1907, 140 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:41,320 she thought it was direct meaning. 141 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,200 To us it looks like abstract art 142 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,320 but it's really diagrams explaining theosophical ideas. 143 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,480 To see what else there is to abstraction 144 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,240 you have to look elsewhere. 145 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,520 The Russian artist, Wassily Kandinsky, 146 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,600 is the lord of abstraction. 147 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,320 He said it was created from inner necessity 148 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,520 and it didn't need nature to picture. It contained 149 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,600 all of nature anyway, just in abstract art's shapes and colours. 150 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,400 He meant the artist's sensitivity, his feelings 151 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,400 and memories are full of nature's impressions. 152 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,240 They can be got down onto the canvas in a completely abstracted way. 153 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,800 This is a painting by Kandinsky from 1912. 154 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,560 Its title, Painting With Black Arch, encourages you to think about 155 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,160 only what you're actually seeing. 156 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,520 That black arch is unmistakable 157 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,960 but Kandinsky knows that seeing art is a kind of heightened 158 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:13,160 seeing - it's made loaded by you being very visually alert, and 159 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:19,040 by your thoughts and expectations being primed by some kind of theory. 160 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,160 The book of the Lord is called On The Spiritual In Art. 161 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:31,320 Kandinsky published it in 1911 and it was read throughout Europe. 162 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,160 It was the first moment of abstract art becoming widely known. 163 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Like Hilma Af Klint, Kandinsky was inspired by Theosophy's 164 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,680 notion of a coming New Age of the Great Spiritual. 165 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,160 Kandinsky's artistic approach was different 166 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,240 to Hilma Af Klint's though. 167 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,640 She thought paintings were diagrams to be interpreted by study. 168 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,720 He thought the actual materials of painting - colour, shape, 169 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,840 line - could be manipulated to affect the soul. 170 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,080 His line moves across the paper, it's captured on film in the 1920s. 171 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,960 He's in his 60s and has been painting abstractly 172 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,600 since he was in his late 40s. 173 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Making a mark, he doesn't know in advance what's going to happen, 174 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,000 because he's not copying anything, but his instinct for making is 175 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,000 guided by his experience of making, judging what works what doesn't. 176 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,000 That's a visual thing, not a spiritual thing. 177 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,360 He had to get the spiritual to connect to the visual. 178 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Madame Blavatsky was not Kandinsky's only spiritual mentor. 179 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,560 This is a meditation centre built by one of Blavatsky's followers 180 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Rudolf Steiner. 181 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,320 Kandinsky read Steiner's theories - he was drawn to Steiner's 182 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,800 proposal that we all inhabit not one but several bodies 183 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,200 and one of these, the astral body, is invisible. 184 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,120 He began attending Steiner's lectures in 1908. 185 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,400 By coincidence, this was the same year that Hilma Af Klint 186 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,280 first met Steiner. 187 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Unknown to each other, these two pioneers of very different types 188 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,160 of abstract art, were each equally aware that Steiner's education 189 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,280 programme in Theosophy had the title "How To Know Higher Worlds." 190 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:34,120 Art could be higher than nature, Kandinsky concluded. 191 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,840 Theosophy was essential in the mix but he needed other elements too. 192 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,600 They were the primitive, the musical and the way colour works. 193 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,440 The surfaces of the place he painted in, in Bavaria, 194 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,640 were covered in simple art, done by unknown artists - 195 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,360 anything outside the Western mainstream, he called it primitive. 196 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:11,640 The primitive, he claimed, gets to the essence of the spiritual. 197 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,200 His insight about music and art is that music affects us profoundly 198 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,440 but it doesn't represent anything. 199 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,840 He said art could be like music. 200 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,640 His paintings before abstraction were glowing landscapes, composing 201 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,960 them gave him a clue - working with colour was like playing the piano. 202 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:52,040 He said colour is the keyboard, the eyes are the hammers 203 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,640 and the soul is the piano with its many strings. 204 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,880 The artist is the hand that plays, touching one key and then 205 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,200 another key in order to make the soul vibrate. 206 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,440 He was struck by Impressionist paintings by Monet 207 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,560 that could be imagined not even to be pictures, he thought, 208 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,720 but just colours and by his own landscapes. 209 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,560 One day he saw a painting that had really good colour. 210 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,480 He didn't realise it was one of his own on its side. 211 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,920 Trivial accidents like not recognising your own painting 212 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,760 or not realising a picture is a picture were the jolts of absurdity 213 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,240 that Kandinsky needed in order to get his abstract experiment going. 214 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,320 So the theory in action, 215 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,160 the black arch in Painting With Black Arch is the means 216 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:57,320 by which the red shape dominates the blue shape, bearing down on it. 217 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,920 The black is the accent that animates everything. 218 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,840 Let's take a major rhythmic organisational idea, like music. 219 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,480 The painting goes diagonally there 220 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,440 and is countered by different a diagonal movement here. 221 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,960 One movement counters another. 222 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,360 The arch's blackness is continued elsewhere in other black lines, 223 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,360 variations on a theme, 224 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:45,760 pronounced or merged-in depending on their surrounding colour, 225 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,080 like musical chords depend for their mood on what chord comes next. 226 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,520 Well, the visuals of Painting With Black Arch have a logic 227 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,760 that can be explained in musical terms - repetition 228 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,040 and surprise, movement countermovement. 229 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:20,160 It's not just logic, it's sensual impact, and in my view it's great. 230 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,200 Where does the idea that abstract art is difficult come from - 231 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,920 from the viewer or the artist? 232 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,840 What would it mean if Fiona Rae said her abstracts were spiritual? 233 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,440 If Kandinsky's rule was to transcend nature, her rule is 234 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,480 the rule of surprise move. 235 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:10,600 At the moment, I'm experimenting with making a painting 236 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,600 just in black and white. 237 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,480 I usually use colour. 238 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,960 What's the reason to not use colour? 239 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,080 I don't know how quite to express that in a positive way 240 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,080 but I suddenly felt incredibly fed up with colour, 241 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,360 and I wanted to start again by clearing everything out 242 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:32,640 and go back to a very basic black and white beginning. 243 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080 I've seen a really nice sort of loopy gesture 244 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,120 that I think I can put down here. 245 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,640 It really, the process... I know that it's quite strange being filmed 246 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,040 doing this but the process really is like this. It's like, "Shall I?" 247 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,480 "No, I won't. "Yeah." "No, I won't." "What about?" "No, actually." 248 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,240 And then suddenly you do something like that quite casually 249 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,960 without even thinking about it. So I'm just going to... 250 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,720 I also think it's important not to take the same size brush 251 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,640 or the same bit of colour 252 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,560 and repeat it all over a canvas like a sort of pattern or something. 253 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,640 So although a finished painting needs to have its own rhythm 254 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,360 and its own structural integrity, I like the idea of somehow 255 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,160 getting different bits of paint language to join up 256 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,080 and do that and not to do with little repetitions. 257 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,320 So you don't literally join up by doing the same thing? No. 258 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,600 There are differences, different zones of energy. Yeah. 259 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Like kind of, I want the viewer to not be entirely sure 260 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,000 what the focus is or what the most important thing is. 261 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,920 That the whole thing overall is the experience. 262 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,440 I suppose that, in a way, maybe that's what makes me 263 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,000 an abstract painter. 264 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,800 In that I think that the marks all exist as themselves, 265 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,200 in themselves, and by themselves, as well as going together 266 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,040 to make some image you might read in one way or another. 267 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,120 Yeah, you're aware that there are component parts 268 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:09,520 but there is also an energy running through them all that unifies them. 269 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,160 Yes, and I'm also trying to make a picture of something 270 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,200 that doesn't exist, which is an impossibility of course, but... 271 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,440 ..I'll just keep trying. 272 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,080 Maybe that's a good definition of abstraction? 273 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,120 I think so, yeah. Yeah, it is, it's an impossible task 274 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,400 but it's a very interesting one. 275 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,200 When colours are related together by abstract art, 276 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,080 it's not just colours artists like or they hope the public will like. 277 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,760 They're noticing something 278 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:55,000 that colour does - how it can be wrong or right, in or out of key. 279 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,080 How the colour of light in the real world filters out all 280 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,600 differences and creates a single visual register within which 281 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,040 all differences are unified. 282 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:23,960 In 1914, Sonia Delaunay, one of the great founders of abstract art, 283 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 created this colour painting. 284 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,840 It's called Electric Prisms. 285 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,200 Delaunay invented a whole new way of compressing 286 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,920 arrangement in art down to colour and form. 287 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,200 What are colour and form? 288 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Form in art means arrangement or structure, but it also means 289 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,640 the individual elements that the structure is made up from. 290 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,400 Think of music. A piece of music is an arrangement, or a composition. 291 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,000 But it is made up of smaller musical events that are all related 292 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,200 together so there is a single unity, which is what composition is. 293 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,280 The composition is a form 294 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,920 and the individual musical events are forms too. 295 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,640 Colour isn't something that exists and light reveals it to us. 296 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,000 Colour IS light. 297 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:44,320 And Delaunay's abstract rule was to create light by scientific laws. 298 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,120 In the 1910s, abstract artists were awed by the power of science. 299 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,840 If it could cause people to get round the world at high speed, and 300 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,760 communicate with each other across vast distances, as well as explore 301 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,120 the depths of the unconscious as psychoanalysis was doing - 302 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,800 the modern science of the mind - maybe science could also radically 303 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,400 transform art, so art could be a cosmic vision of everything. 304 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,960 Throughout history, artists had played 305 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,920 with our perception of colour intuitively, but in the 19th century 306 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:40,080 science began codifying new laws about how we perceive colour. 307 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Colours go from red to mauve to blue, through all the spectrum, 308 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,120 and round back again to red. 309 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,760 For a long time this had been visualised as a colour wheel. 310 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,800 But in 1855 the colour chemist, Eugene Chevreul, said colours 311 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,600 opposite each other on the wheel have the same intensity 312 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,840 and placing them side by side causes what he calls an optical vibration. 313 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,360 Delaunay absorbed that scientific rule and took it over to serve 314 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:24,560 her own rule of painterly evocation of the emotional lift of light. 315 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:41,320 Softened colour is subjected to a rigorous but wavering grid, 316 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,200 that circular layout. 317 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,160 The grid is the form she's using. She's unafraid of breaking it. 318 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,280 Colour overlaps the borders onto adjacent colours 319 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,640 following a colour need. Where there is a chance that the 320 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,600 relationship between the colours threatens to be the visual 321 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,080 equivalent of out of tune, she changes the colour logic. 322 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,560 Bringing light green over purple so primrose will sing out. 323 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:16,720 Or intensifying yellow red to darker red so it will connect to 324 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,960 a rhythmic pulse of dark and light accents everywhere. 325 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,400 Delaunay was married to another colourist, Robert Delaunay. 326 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,440 They were impressed that their friend Kandinsky liberated 327 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,560 colour from having to picture anything. 328 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,680 But the Delaunays had a very different approach to Kandinsky. 329 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,400 Think of them in Paris over there 330 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,320 and him working in Germany over there. 331 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,600 Colour in Kandinsky is emotion - emotion events. 332 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120 They're interwoven to create a dynamic drama. 333 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,440 He doesn't use the full range of colours. 334 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,520 With Delaunay it's just a simple design - radiating bands. 335 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,640 But she uses a vast range of colour 336 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,240 and it's a real enquiry into what colour can do. 337 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,680 Every single element of the painting is about a fusing or 338 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:20,440 clarifying of form through subtle adjustments of colour 339 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,440 so that the overall form, or composition, 340 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:30,640 celebrates light as a sheer, overwhelming, spirit-lifting force. 341 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,160 The Delaunays got that radiating circles layout from the glow 342 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,240 of colour around the electric lights by night in Paris. 343 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,640 The old gaslights had only just been replaced by electricity. 344 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,080 Sonia Delaunay recorded in her memoirs at night on walks, 345 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,400 arm in arm, we enter the era of light. 346 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,320 The halos made the colours and shadows swirl and vibrate like 347 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,080 unidentified objects falling from the sky and beckoning our madness. 348 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,440 In 1912, when Kandinsky's On The Spiritual In Art was spreading 349 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,760 its message, Robert Delaunay wrote a manifesto called, simply, Light. 350 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,360 The manifesto had a climactic last sentence, 351 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,200 like the words of a colour prophet, "Let us attempt to see." 352 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,520 The rule John McLean obeys is the rule to keep 353 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,760 looking for the infinitesimal adjustments that will give 354 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,280 simple shapes a convincing subtlety, like light in the world. 355 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,640 Let's go on and get rid of that iridescence. 356 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,240 Oh, look, I really like the way that red's differentiating 357 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,160 itself from the rest. Yeah. 358 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,040 So they're very simple shapes but it's the treatment of them 359 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,680 as well as the placement of them that's important. 360 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,840 Yes. I do quite a lot of landscapes. 361 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,520 I don't feel any... 362 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000 I feel a complete continuity between figuratively painting 363 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,680 and abstract painting. 364 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,320 I don't see any difference 365 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:19,640 and I realise perhaps I'm not really a purist. 366 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,920 Yes, you don't think it's about the purity of the abstract forms, 367 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,080 you think there's a continuity between abstraction and reality. 368 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,880 Absolutely. The visual world. 369 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240 Yes, absolutely, absolutely. 370 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,280 It's interesting that already I'm feeling, 371 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,200 "No, maybe I was being too... 372 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,200 "..impetuous", 373 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,240 but it's a very beautiful passage 374 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:55,080 that now with the nacreous stuff coming through the very thin 375 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,560 glaze of red. Indeed. 376 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,120 And so maybe there's scope in this for something 377 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680 with sheer beauty like the wing of a moth, 378 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,480 or something fleeting like that. Yeah. 379 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,840 In fact that could be the redeeming bit of the whole painting. 380 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,520 Maybe I've won it after all. 381 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000 So the approach is partly to pick out the forms 382 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,680 and partly to allow the forms to seem to emerge from the ground. 383 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Yeah, and make sure the atmospheric 384 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,360 and, I guess, just not atmospheric. Yeah 385 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:46,120 I'd be loathed to touch that right away, it may be finished now. 386 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200 Yeah. 387 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:54,640 But I feel with my own work that the simpler I can make it, 388 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,520 in a strange way, the more profound I feel it is. 389 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,520 For the Swizz artist, Paul Klee, whose abstracts were often nothing 390 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,440 but squares, nevertheless the rule was always to observe nature. 391 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,520 In order to make something abstract seem true to the world around us 392 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560 Klee uses tonally graded colour. 393 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,120 Tone is different to colour. 394 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,200 Colour is colour but tone is the alteration of colour's vivid 395 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:46,280 bright vibrating impact by making that colour lighter or darker. 396 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,120 Tone here is mostly dark, 397 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,520 but with a number of high spots where colour seems to sing out 398 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,520 like sunshine hitting a hill or light seen through the trees. 399 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,280 In 1914, when Klee was 35, he went on a trip to Tunisia. 400 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,160 The trip was to alter him 401 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,280 from being one kind of artist to a completely different kind. 402 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,760 And the big moment was an evening visit 403 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,120 to the Kairouan mosque in Tunis. 404 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,320 You never really see the mosque in the dozens 405 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,720 of watercolours that he produced following this visit. 406 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,440 And of course it isn't Islamic culture or Islamic decorative art 407 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,240 that interests Klee in this moment. 408 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,000 You see carefully controlled different degrees of 409 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400 transparency and colour that tells you 410 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,240 about constantly shifting light. 411 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,960 You get the feeling not that he saw something that was different 412 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,480 to anything he'd ever seen, like a colour miracle, 413 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,960 but more that he came to the realisation that there was something 414 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,560 in him that he could work with 415 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,880 and that he hadn't attended to before and that he could now define. 416 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,280 The power of his visual experiments from that trip 417 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,320 is in one thing affecting another - 418 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,120 as if everything is perception 419 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,760 nothing is anything in itself. 420 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,200 Everything is perception. 421 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,680 The light on some glass or concrete, 422 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,120 the organisation of shapes in the city, the look of the Earth, 423 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,000 the shapes of clouds and their relationship to the horizon. 424 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,840 We organise this sensual input just as we organise our minds about 425 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,480 who we are and where we fit in the world and how society is made up. 426 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,320 Klee tried to do something about society. 427 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,840 He was part of the Bavarian uprising in 1919. 428 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,960 Within months this socialist revolution, inspired by events 429 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,200 in Russia, was crushed, the leaders murdered, and Klee's dreams 430 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,280 of a communist society sympathetic to his kind of art were ended. 431 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,840 For the next 20 years, until his death in 1940, 432 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,560 Klee divided his time painting and teaching - most influentially in 433 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,040 the Bauhaus, the school of art and design set up in Germany in 1919. 434 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,760 The first thing you have to do as a visual artist, 435 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,400 he would tell his students there, is pay attention to the infinite 436 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,040 subtlety of tonal shades in nature. 437 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,280 The Nazis had different ideas to Klee's about nature 438 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,840 and his art was publicly mocked, along with Kandinsky 439 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,640 and Mondrian, in the notorious 1937 exhibition called Degenerate Art. 440 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,360 They called Klee a Jew even though he actually 441 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,280 came from a Catholic family and they said he distorted reality. 442 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,520 We all hate the Nazis of course, 443 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,800 but did they have a point about distortion? 444 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,280 After all, what's the difference between Klee controlling colour 445 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,640 so there's a feeling of reality and him just distorting reality? 446 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,480 Well, I agree with Klee - I think there is no single correct 447 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,640 interpretation of what's out there. 448 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,800 We each organise what we perceive and create our own version of it. 449 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,000 Klee is trying to pick that process apart. 450 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,640 He's offering proposals about what perception is. 451 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,720 In our studio the rule is to think about what's really seen 452 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,360 when anyone sees anything. 453 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:02,400 We can only see any kind of form because of the way light reveals it. 454 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,440 It's through light and dark 455 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,120 that you sort of understand the shape of something. 456 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,080 So that's a fundamental aspect of seeing, 457 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,280 that we're abstracting in our works. 458 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,160 I mean, if you were to look at, for example, here. This area, which is 459 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,120 lighter or one side and brighter on the other, so that in a sense 460 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,960 you read as lighter, and those two areas you read as darker and that is 461 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:36,040 contrasted with lighter tones behind it and a darker tone behind that. 462 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:42,760 So it sort of gives some kind of a sense of the image occupying 463 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,000 space a bit like... As if it had some sculptural form I suppose. 464 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,040 Like a haystack in the field or a pyramid. Yeah. 465 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,720 So you've got light, dark and then you've got light, light, dark, dark. 466 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,320 Yes, exactly. And when that is adjacent to something which does 467 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,640 immediately the opposite. Where you have light here, you have 468 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,720 dark there. Where you have dark here, you have light there. 469 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,320 Where that happens, consistently across the whole canvas, 470 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,240 it gives you a kind of pulsing feel. 471 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,160 Yeah, so there is a rigid adherence to a system of light and dark. 472 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,840 Like there is in life. 473 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480 Light and dark, light and dark, wherever you look. 474 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,440 The relationship between colour in abstract art 475 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,400 and what might loosely be called reality 476 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,720 doesn't always stay the same. 477 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,640 It depends how colour is used. 478 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,400 The next artist is the toughest as far as giving reality a break goes. 479 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,760 It's Mondrian, who follows a rule of always using very few colours. 480 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Here's a painting by Mondrian in his famous style, 481 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640 severely minimal lines and rectangles. 482 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:23,280 It's from 1922 and it's made up only of black lines and white, 483 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,320 or a sort of bluish off-white, 484 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,160 and a few strong primaries - 485 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,880 blue, yellow, red. 486 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,520 Even these few elements are reduced down even more 487 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,080 in that the whole of the surface, or almost 488 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,440 the entirety of the surface, is just that white, or off-white. 489 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,680 And the stronger colours are confined to accents 490 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,200 along the perimeters of the square - blue, yellow, red. 491 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,880 The centre is opened out, so there's nothing there but a square. 492 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,960 And that square seems to tell 493 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,440 you about nothing except the square of the outer edges of the painting. 494 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,480 In fact, every shape tells you about every other shape, 495 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,360 in that it is either a variation on it or repetition of it. 496 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200 What else are you seeing in it? Nothing. 497 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,480 Except you could see more in what you're already seeing. 498 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,680 You're seeing shapes talking to shapes, 499 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,440 they're telling each other about themselves, 500 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,040 they're defining themselves by their slight differences. 501 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,760 He said the masculine is manifested vertically 502 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080 the feminine, horizontally. 503 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,000 It's the mysticism of Theosophy. 504 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,200 Theosophy says in the future, all social imbalance will be 505 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,800 balanced out in a new societal shape. 506 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,720 Mondrian says his art visualises that new shape. 507 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,040 Here's Mondrian in his theosophical pose. 508 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,400 He actually mixed Theosophy with the philosophy of Hegel. 509 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,480 Hegel said the universe is governed by rules of tension 510 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,200 and contradiction. 511 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,800 In Mondrian's painterly version of Hegel's philosophical rule 512 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,320 that every element is determined by its contrary, 513 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,360 Mondrian offers a line, but also a gap. 514 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,640 There's a black bar that looks as though it will repeat to fill 515 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,360 that space, but it doesn't. 516 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,080 In the first case, you're forced to see that line. 517 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,600 Also the edge of the painting that the line stops short of. 518 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,080 You're forced to consider that edge. 519 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,080 And in the other case, you're forced to see that whole horizontal 520 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,880 empty rectangle he's started dividing 521 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,800 because he deliberately doesn't continue dividing it. 522 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,960 Mondrian influenced modern architecture, 523 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,720 but it had no interest for him. 524 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:18,280 He thought architects were hopeless materialists. 525 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,600 He envisaged a new-shape architecture environment 526 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,160 all over the world 527 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,800 that would be pure flat planes, lacking solidity of any kind. 528 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,440 I don't know how that would work and I suspect Mondrian didn't either. 529 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,640 He's tough on what he thinks of as deception, he wants to get to truth. 530 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,280 He's dealing all the time with ideas, 531 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,680 but the main one is visual order. 532 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,400 He provides a visual organisation so elegant and complex, 533 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,840 that it's capable of endless reinterpretation, 534 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,120 but you've got to recognise in the first place that it is visual. 535 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,920 And if the particular nature of that organisation - 536 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,520 pure abstraction - 537 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,040 accords with Mondrian's theosophical beliefs, 538 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,520 namely that everything we see around us is only an illusion - 539 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,600 maya is the Indian word for that illusion adopted by Theosophy as 540 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,280 Theosophy adopts terms from all religions - 541 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,560 so a purely abstract painting is more true to the real reality that 542 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,720 lies behind everything than a painting that attempts to 543 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:42,280 capture aspects of the illusion version of that higher reality. 544 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,960 That is a mind twist as well as a sentence twist. 545 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,720 Nevertheless, the painting is a visual work of art that 546 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,280 demands to be seen on its own visual terms. 547 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,000 Nature doesn't disappear in abstract art - nature's laws 548 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,000 are condensed into a visual form, that's the rule Tess Jaray follows. 549 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,200 Paintings that combine all sorts of processes including printing 550 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,840 instead of painting. 551 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,560 I have to clean that up pretty fast. 552 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,960 I see you're doing something that has to be quite precise, 553 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,560 but precision isn't the meaning of what you're doing. 554 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,160 Absolutely not, precision is only ever a tool. 555 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,040 It should look as though there is an ambiguity between what 556 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,080 is in front and what is behind. 557 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,320 You can't quite tell 558 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,280 and that is a way of engaging people with the object. 559 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,720 As you say, there is an ambiguity about the front and behind. 560 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,480 There's a sort of flicker between the two colours. 561 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,280 Exactly that, so you're not just being presented with something, 562 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,800 you are being asked to participate. 563 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,480 Yes, so in looking, you're kind of part of the process 564 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,520 of what's happening. Yes. 565 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,400 But you're doing small things here that one could almost pick up 566 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,440 and hold like an icon or timeless objects. 567 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,880 You're doing things that are very, very resolutely abstract 568 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,600 with only a couple of colours. 569 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,720 There's a certain type of surface, very much 570 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,960 a physical thing as well as an optical thing. 571 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960 I think that is incredibly important. 572 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,960 I mean, in a way, this is how we see the world. 573 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,280 Everything is surface. 574 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,960 You know, when I talk to you, that's all I'm seeing. 575 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,600 Because I want the colour to be as intense as possible, 576 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,120 I get it screen printed with oil-based ink. 577 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,400 If I use paint, it's almost impossible to get a completely 578 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,160 smooth surface. 579 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:44,880 The more evidence you have on a surface of the way it's done, 580 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:51,440 the less you're going to understand or feel the intensity of the colour. 581 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,960 Right. 582 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,320 I mean, I would like to reduce everything down to its essentials. 583 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,000 In that way, it's kind of following nature. 584 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,200 So you're very, very concentrated visual events, in a way. 585 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,160 They're a concentrated, honed, condensed version 586 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,000 of reality of the world. Yes, exactly that. 587 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,040 Very simplified shapes. Yes, and I try to say it with as little added, 588 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,080 as little pretension as directly... I mean, this whole very 589 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,560 complicated system is really set up in order to produce something that 590 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,680 looks as though it's totally simple and it's just popped into the world. 591 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,200 Jesus inside geometric shapes. This is an icon in the Byzantine style 592 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,440 from the 15th century. 593 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,600 The Russian abstract artist, Malevich, respected this look. 594 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,920 Byzantine art stripped down the realistic style that existed 595 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,480 in Greek and Roman times. Art that shows in detail how reality looks. 596 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,200 So a higher reality can be contemplated, 597 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,840 Byzantine art ditched the detailed look in favour of simple signs. 598 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,320 And for the same reason, Malevich displayed his abstract 599 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,040 paintings as if they were icons in a Russian church. He's offering 600 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:38,120 a modern proposal about simple signs serving a higher reality. 601 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,160 The rule that form is feeling, Kandinsky stated it, 602 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,960 but Malevich took it to the furthest extreme. 603 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,160 When Malevich created his pure geometric abstract art style, which 604 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,240 he called Suprematism, in 1915, the First World War was under way. 605 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,240 There were food shortages, collapsing morale, there was 606 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,440 despair at brutality and death. 607 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,160 The following year, Malevich was a soldier in the army himself. 608 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,480 You're looking at squares again, what are these ones doing? 609 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,240 Two of them - one black, one red, one large, one small, one tilted, 610 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,520 suggesting movement. 611 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,280 Paint is capable of so much more than this, 612 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,200 so you know we're being told about extreme limitation. 613 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,800 Two squares surrounded by white. 614 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,520 There is a set of mathematical relationships there where 615 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,880 shapes and spaces are made to seem visually equivalent. 616 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,280 So the black shape is the same as the white space underneath it. 617 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,600 The white space to the right of the red shape is somewhat 618 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,240 the same as the red shape. 619 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:28,200 There is a sense throughout of - this is this, this is this, 620 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,920 this is the same as this. 621 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:36,320 Movement implied by something very, very small. 622 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,960 You'd think you couldn't get much more reduced than that. 623 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,160 But this painting was done very shortly after he created 624 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,160 a work called the Black Square. 625 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,760 The most famous abstract painting in history. 626 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,840 He redid the original several times 627 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,480 because its surface cracked. 628 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,880 This 1923 version is a delight of 629 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,760 velvety-rich, granulated brushy blackness. 630 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,840 The creation of something out of nothing, a painted something. 631 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,400 There's something absurd about it, as if with Suprematism there's 632 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:40,440 a rightness of shapes, but insanity about how he got to that rightness. 633 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,440 He said the logical consequence of no-one ever being able to put 634 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,680 back together all the fragmented bits of reality in Cubism, is that 635 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,080 art should take the next step and abandon logic, embrace its absence. 636 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,680 Malevich was offered a word for no-logic creativity 637 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,520 by the poets he knew, the word was "zaum". 638 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,120 The poets wrote manifestos for a changed 639 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:17,480 future in which the food shortages would be solved by transforming soil 640 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:23,280 into bread, horses would be free and there'd be equal rights for cows. 641 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,320 Where you might make out a table with a violin on it 642 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480 in a Picasso Cubist painting, 643 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,000 a Malevich Cubist painting would have a violin with a cow on it. 644 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,160 His friends called themselves Futurists. 645 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160 He put on an opera with them in 1913. 646 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,000 He provided sketches for costumes and sets 647 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,920 and two years later he elaborated this sketch into the black square. 648 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,960 He painted it in a kind of ecstasy, 649 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,160 he couldn't sleep or eat he was so jangled, it all seemed clear. 650 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,000 He wrote that the black square equals feeling, 651 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,200 the white field equals the void beyond feeling. 652 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:27,840 Supreme in the word Suprematism - the name that Malevich gave 653 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,960 to his geometric style - means supreme over reality. 654 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,600 He said that the objects that make up this world are not reality. 655 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,560 They might call forth feeling, 656 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,400 but feeling separated from reality is the only true reality. 657 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,440 He means the objects out there that we assume to make up 658 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,440 objective reality don't really. 659 00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,320 In fact, it's only by abstracting objects that we can get to reality. 660 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:09,520 This has a long title but part of it is the term "fourth dimension". 661 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,040 It was fascinating to artists. 662 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,640 Time warped by space or the other way round. 663 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:24,640 Ordinary existence warps into higher existence in the fourth dimension. 664 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,640 That was the claim of the Russian Theosophist P.D. Ouspensky. 665 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,000 Malevich absorbed the Theosophical lesson like 666 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,000 so many abstract artist then and built it into his paintings, 667 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,400 abstraction soaring into the beyond. 668 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:54,040 He explained to his students, "we've come to the rejection of reason, 669 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,960 "but only because there's a new form of reason now." 670 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,720 Some of Malevich's students would become the new Russian 671 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,840 avant-garde that would make him seem old-fashioned. 672 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,000 They were called Constructivists. 673 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,840 One of them was Liubov Popova. 674 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:16,920 This is a design by her for the cover of a magazine from 1922. 675 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,600 The fact that it is abstraction turned to a functional use 676 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,280 tells you about the turn taken in the early '20s 677 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,000 by abstract art in Russia. 678 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,040 Clarity, powerful, look-at-ability, 679 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,280 but it's not about contemplating the ineffable. 680 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,480 It's about making a magazine attractive and looking at new 681 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,280 things, because it's a magazine of new kino, new cinema. 682 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:54,040 To appreciate that as a jump just as radical as abstraction being 683 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,120 invented in the first place, 684 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,280 you have to look once again at what abstraction is. 685 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,200 Abstraction strips everything down to form. 686 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,280 But form can be radically different from instants to instants. 687 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,200 Even though it looks like it's just more form. 688 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,400 This painting by Popova from 1917 was influenced by Malevich's 689 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,720 teaching. The difference between it 690 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,480 and her magazine cover from a few years later when she'd become 691 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,680 a Constructivist is that form isn't a feeling for the Constructivists. 692 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,480 Form is useful. 693 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:50,520 There'd been world war and civil war. Now there was extreme poverty, 694 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:55,960 violence, hunger, a breakdown of communication and transport. 695 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,840 And out of all that not just a new society had to be built, 696 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,360 but a type that had never existed before on Earth. 697 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,280 The Constructivists identified the factories as the centre 698 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,440 of production. Art should move there. 699 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,120 They even changed the name of art to production. 700 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,640 This is a Productivist sculpture by one of Popova's colleagues, 701 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,840 Vladimir Stenberg. 702 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,640 This form could be a prototype for what a socialist society 703 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,560 would actually look and feel and be like, as opposed to how such 704 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,880 a society had been theorised and dreamed of before the revolution. 705 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,160 Popova's shapes and spaces were for definite things. 706 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,120 These ones were for a banner for a revolutionary poets' club. 707 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,040 This was the cover of a catalogue for a Constructivist exhibition. 708 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,120 The controllers of the new revolutionary state were sceptical. 709 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,680 And eventually they did crush Constructivism and Productionism. 710 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,200 Well, "how are you really going to connect art to politics?", 711 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,360 Lenin said to the Constructivists when he visited them 712 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,560 in the new art schools his government set up 713 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,880 and paid for, when there was very little money for anything. 714 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,960 Popova taught Constructivists and she exhibited with them. They saw 715 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,920 no reason to drop abstract form just because no-one could understand it. 716 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:03,960 She died at 35 from scarlet fever after only a few months of success 717 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,200 in the factories with clothing designs based on geometric form. 718 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,120 And the whole 719 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,360 Constructivist/Productionist movement 720 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,640 was destroyed by Politburo decrees about form. 721 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,440 Abstraction relating to reality was out. 722 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,760 Reality had to be conveyed from now on by picturing instead. 723 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,640 By propaganda. 724 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,600 Constructivism failed, 725 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,840 abstract form would never again automatically mean Left politics. 726 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,720 It turns out when you make something, 727 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,960 you can't necessarily control its meaning. 728 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:26,400 Abstraction in Europe went quiet in the 1930s with 729 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,360 the rise of fascism in the West and totalitarian communism in Russia. 730 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,480 The end of the Second World War in 1945 saw 731 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,800 a revival of abstraction in lonely studios in New York. 732 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,320 Changing the world by cosmic visions, by spirituality, 733 01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:01,480 or art giving a concrete form to socialism were not 734 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,360 the ideas context for abstraction any more. 735 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,880 Being an individual, being an outsider, 736 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,440 making those on the inside, the conformists, 737 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,720 see what freedom could be. These were the new ideas. 738 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,840 Many people think the rule of this artist is no rules at all. 739 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,480 In fact, you're seeing a rigidly architectural structure 740 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,520 achieved by nothing but free, loose flowing open marks. 741 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,360 It's an amazing balancing act, once you start to see it 742 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,520 and it shows that the standard criticism of Jackson Pollock, 743 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,760 that anyone could do it, is unfair. 744 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:57,040 Paint, very liquefied. Only black, no other colour, 745 01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:03,280 thrown onto the canvas, and very briefly titled, Number 32. 746 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,280 The painting was done one day in 1950, with the canvas 747 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,880 rolled out on the wooden floorboards in his studio in New York, 748 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,120 in a rural part of the state a few hours' drive from the city. 749 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,600 Ten years before he'd been in therapy with a Jungian 750 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,360 analyst, trying to deal with the alcoholism that defined 751 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,280 Pollock's life as much as being an artist defined it. 752 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,000 He brought his drawings to the sessions. 753 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,720 Later their lines and spaces would be exploded 754 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,240 to become paintings on a vast architectural scale. 755 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,360 He said he was painting the aims of the age, 756 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:59,520 and he didn't need to paint nature because he was nature. 757 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,720 It looks pretty free. 758 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,120 There's something outrageously free about an artist throwing paint 759 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,840 and stepping on the painting. 760 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,320 But freedom is a meaning he wants to get across. 761 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,920 It comes from the climate of the times. 762 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,160 It's not the visual end result that his outlandish process 763 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,840 will actually create. 764 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,360 However he gets there, 765 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,280 he ends up with a tightly controlled rhythmic structure. 766 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,960 The canvas is regularly and rhythmically occupied. 767 01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:04,320 Imagine the lighter lines without the heavier blobs. 768 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,920 Never mind how they're created, they contribute to the visual 769 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,320 complexity, it would be a very different effect. 770 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,120 The web of lines 771 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:19,400 and angles goes out to meet the outer edges of the painting, 772 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,920 pulling back, flowing out all round those edges, so what happens on the 773 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,560 perimeter is a controlled version of what's happening in the centre. 774 01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,960 You read the meaning through what is impossible to miss - 775 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,120 the materials and how they're treated. 776 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,160 You're forced to see that the paint is paint, with its dried 777 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:46,040 lumpy bits and delicate stained bits, its range of textures, 778 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,840 reflective paint contrasted with paint that has been absorbed 779 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,080 by the canvas. Those textures are the things he's composing. 780 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,840 Their differences are what he makes a visual symphony out of. 781 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,400 An artist today in Deptford making something harmonious. 782 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:17,040 Paul Tonkin. Like Jackson Pollock, his rule is that harmony can 783 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,320 come from a surprisingly wild process. 784 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,400 This is just...what I do really. I just make these... 785 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,080 It's just a question of covering it with paint, basically! 786 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:36,000 But I like making these curvy shapes. 787 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,320 I suppose someone looking at it now might think, "Oh, landscape, 788 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,760 "hills, lakes." Is anything like that in your mind? 789 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,800 No, I'm just trying to get the stuff on there. 790 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,000 But, yeah, I can see what you mean! Of course. 791 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,280 It could look like the Loch Ness monster as well, couldn't it? 792 01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:03,000 Except if something starts looking too much like something very 793 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,960 specific, then I might... Alter it? ..try and change it. 794 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,360 Yes, yes, yes. 795 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,040 Where shall I put the red? 796 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,160 How did you know where to put the blue and the yellow? 797 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,800 That's a good point, but now it's getting more complicated, you see. 798 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:22,280 But I'm treating it like a painting, which I do, you see, and it's not. 799 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,520 So we're looking at the creation of an under-painting 800 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,240 and this is part of a stage that you always go through. 801 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,480 It's the first stage, yeah. 802 01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:34,520 And the under-painting has a certain life of its own 803 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,360 and a certain rhythm. Yes. But it isn't the painting as such. 804 01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,440 Well, when it's dry I'll look at it 805 01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:47,720 and cut it into rectangles of different sizes 806 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,720 and then pin them to the floor 807 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,920 and then work on top of them. 808 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,600 And will those different rectangles be a separate painting? 809 01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,480 Yes. 810 01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:02,520 It's got a fantastic energetic movement. 811 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,440 Yeah, well, that's the thing, that's what I want to get - 812 01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:08,000 the movement and... 813 01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,880 ..but then I'm going to mess it up, you see. 814 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,400 That's the fun bit. 815 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,320 Oh, shit. 816 01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,680 THEY LAUGH 817 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,440 I don't usually waste quite as much paint as that! 818 01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:25,880 That was fantastic. 819 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,040 Yeah, but it wasn't kind of what I wanted. 820 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,520 And it looks great as well, but I'm going to move back. 821 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,760 You'd better move back, Matthew. Yeah. 822 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,440 You better get out of the way, man, 823 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:38,240 because I'm chucking the stuff around. 824 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,120 It's fantastic. 825 01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:45,360 But it's like destroying and creating at the same time. 826 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,840 Yeah. It's amazing how beautiful those veils of colour can be. 827 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,320 Yeah, well, it is, but unfortunately 828 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,120 when it dries out, it doesn't stay like that. 829 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,240 It doesn't... It's not... 830 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,640 HE LAUGHS It's going... 831 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,120 It's going everywhere! 832 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,360 That's quite good, yeah. 833 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:15,160 Where do you think the precision is in what you do? 834 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,320 Well, it gets more precise. 835 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,720 I'd have to show you the later stages 836 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,560 to show that it gets very, very precise near the end. 837 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,120 It's to do with the drawing, I suppose. 838 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,240 And, to me, drawing is movement 839 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,120 and colour is the most important thing 840 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,040 and trying to get colours working together. 841 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:46,120 So that they actually combine to make something that, actually, 842 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,960 when you come into the studio, 843 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,200 and you've seen that painting, having had a night's sleep, 844 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,840 and you're coming in again to see it fresh the next morning, 845 01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,160 it will actually make a statement back to you, 846 01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,160 and then you feel actually this is now a painting. 847 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,200 It's actually telling me something. 848 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:17,640 The next artist is the other side of the same coin of freedom 849 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,040 that is controlled in some way. 850 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,760 With Dan Parfitt, I think his rule is to have totally controlled, 851 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:29,240 calculated stages that result in a look of flowing freedom. 852 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,320 I've got a plan, I like a plan. 853 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,600 The improvisation happens in the drawing. 854 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:44,080 The previous stages to the one we're looking at right now. 855 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,480 And that's a print out of one of your drawings? 856 01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:52,360 Yeah, here is where it gets scaled up onto a large scale canvas. 857 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,320 So these little drawings are like scores. 858 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,440 The drawings that you work from. 859 01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:12,880 Yeah, well, this little print out is like a score that I'm 860 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,000 performing, like if I were a musician performing. 861 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,960 So it gives me the structure, 862 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,400 but these marks have got to be made in real-time. 863 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,440 It doesn't really matter if there's a bit of... 864 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:30,800 splashing because we're just going for the... 865 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,480 ..trying to make the mark as expressive as possible, 866 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,080 really get a sense of its speed, 867 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,480 its proper real-time quickness. 868 01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:46,000 This is the fastest stage of the whole painting. 869 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,040 This is the fastest stage, maybe the funnest stage as well. 870 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,680 Because out of nothing comes something. Suddenly, there's 871 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,720 a whole bunch of black marks that begin to indicate something. 872 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,400 I mean, even though my work is very non-representational, 873 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,840 nevertheless it should be evocative. 874 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:09,240 I suggest a sort of natural world without at all depicting 875 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,600 anything in particular. 876 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,000 Well, yes, it does want to feel like part of our natural world. 877 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,400 But maybe an imagined correlation of it. 878 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:26,160 Somehow. How we pull it inside of ourselves and build little models. 879 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:31,000 So it's an introvert experience of an extrovert world. 880 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,440 Very good. So things come and go in this process? 881 01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:35,600 They really do, yes. 882 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,000 To begin with there's what looks like an armour chair, 883 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,560 Once that's done, 884 01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,240 there will never be anything else like that, it comes and goes. 885 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,680 No, it won't look like this and, in fact, much of this painting 886 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,920 I'm doing right now is redundant or will become redundant. 887 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,040 Much of it will be obscured. 888 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,640 OK, that's enough of that one. 889 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,240 So this has got to dry now? 890 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,800 This has got to dry, yeah, we can't have any drips 891 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,120 because a drip would indicate gravity. Yeah. 892 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,080 So really we want this to be floating. 893 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,480 Like all these things, I want them to feel like a bunch of stuff 894 01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:13,280 thrown up in the air and then you've taken a photograph of it. I see. 895 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,560 As it just reaches its zenith. 896 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,640 In abstract art, since Jackson Pollock, there is often a sense 897 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,720 that meaning might be as simple as just the way paint is put on. 898 01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,400 Paint can be applied any way, sometimes frankly and flatly, 899 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,240 as if the surface didn't mean anything or, which is what 900 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,600 these paintings by Mark Rothko are doing, 901 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,680 so a sort of breathing surface is the main theme, the main 902 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,040 effect by which the painting is able to convey its message. 903 01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:36,000 Rothko was a New Yorker whose family immigrated from Russia 904 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,440 when he was a child. 905 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,920 Until middle-age he was unsuccessful and poor. 906 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,560 He sympathised with the revolutionary, 907 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,680 political movements in the USA in those times. 908 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,240 He lived an isolated existence. He was unstable and so 909 01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,880 when success came in the 1950s, its suddenness was overwhelming. 910 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,280 The paintings we were just looking at were done by him 911 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,760 in the late '50s as a commission for the new Seagram building 912 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:18,400 for the exclusive restaurant on the top floor called the Four Seasons. 913 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,480 But having painted them, he became furious at the idea of 914 01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:27,000 "rich bastards", as he called them, eating in front of his work. 915 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,240 Ten years later he gave the paintings away free to what 916 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,160 was then the Tate Gallery. 917 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,200 He was fanatic about how they should be displayed. The lighting 918 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,080 and spacing, even today, is exactly as Rothko wanted. 919 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,720 By grim coincidence, he died on the day they arrived in Britain. 920 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,800 Rothko committed suicide 921 01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:00,120 and his paintings don't depict anything so it's only natural in 922 01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:06,160 a way that we should wish that death might be what they're communicating. 923 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,120 I don't personally think that. 924 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,880 That's a human tragedy, but the meaning 925 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:17,480 of the paintings is different to that profound visual lift. 926 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,480 That's the same meaning that a cathedral has, 927 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,960 or the inside of an Egyptian tomb, or a Greek temple. 928 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,000 Death is part of those things as well, 929 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,600 but in such a universal sense that it's as if the marvel 930 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,640 of the whole of existence, not just its termination point, 931 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,440 is being celebrated. 932 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:43,160 Death as part of some kind of gigantic cosmic unity. 933 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,720 Rather than getting carried away with what's become over the years a 934 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:54,920 sort of rhetoric of heavy-breathing emotion, let's try instead 935 01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:59,520 to understand what these paintings actually are and how they work. 936 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,640 That sense of a surface that is active 937 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,040 and expressive gets more and more insistent as you look. 938 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,800 The grey is applied lightly like a mist, diffused, 939 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:26,920 so the surface becomes cloudy not sheer, animated not still or inert. 940 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,040 The painting as a whole is created in terms of misty breakups 941 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,760 and stuttering breakups, 942 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,080 and then passages that are all about merging and flowing. 943 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,760 So if the feeling is, "Well, it's all dark" or "It's all red", 944 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:58,280 the experience of darkness and redness is a nuanced one. 945 01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:07,960 A simple colour theme of blackish red is elaborated 946 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,080 and celebrated so that the whole of existence is celebrated. 947 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,720 The room is a sort of Pharaoh's tomb. 948 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,720 In his control-freakery he's a megalomaniac like the pharaohs. 949 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:27,480 He's the pharaoh and the pharaoh decorator in a Rothko 950 01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:31,480 centric-universe. He's the architect, the painter, 951 01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:33,000 and the philosopher priest. 952 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,320 All that pretentiousness would be off-putting 953 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,480 if it weren't for the rule of painterly 954 01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:46,240 transformation that is the true interest of this abstract art. 955 01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,000 The quality of surprise in the treatment of a surface 956 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,400 so that looming darkness is alive with energy. 957 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,440 The rule that colours placed next to each other will always 958 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:04,880 suggest depth, different positions in space, 959 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,000 was exciting to artists like Paul Klee and Mark Rothko, 960 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,920 and has been followed by Albert Irvin, who's now 92, for 50 years. 961 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,800 Put it down in front of those tins. 962 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,360 Yeah, that's it. 963 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,760 And drop it onto its back, too. 964 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,360 OK, and put those under. 965 01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,640 Oh, God, it's nice to have somebody helping. 966 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,160 I'd better come and be your assistant. It's a real luxury. 967 01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,440 They're abstract paintings 968 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:53,360 but they are informed by my movement through the world. 969 01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:00,360 Those marks seem sort of structural and they have their own life... 970 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:01,840 Yes. ..as events. 971 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,240 Structural in terms of the whole unity 972 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,320 and they have their own personality. 973 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:11,600 Yes, I'd like to think so. 974 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:17,240 You know, in so far as painting is a language, I think the brush 975 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,640 marks are the verbs. 976 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,280 Although you can probably analyse that out of extinction 977 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,800 if you wanted to. 978 01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,360 No, I think painting as a language is a good idea, 979 01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,640 and the brush marks as verbs is a good idea. 980 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:36,000 There are things behind things, you know? 981 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,200 Like in the space of this studio now, 982 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,400 if I look across the room, 983 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,680 you're standing in front 984 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:51,080 of the wall, so it's those sorts of perceptions. 985 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,560 I understand completely what you are saying 986 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,600 but it's as if reality itself is layered. Yeah. 987 01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:00,440 And that's the kind of thing you are looking for in the painting? 988 01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:02,480 Yes. But you're doing it through colour? 989 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:05,160 Yes. Through a rather pure colour. 990 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,360 When I first started painting abstract paintings 991 01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,080 I usually use very sombre colours. 992 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:17,640 I had the idea that an important painting 993 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,240 had to be dark, earth colours. 994 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,120 The horrible thing is washing all these brushes. I bet. 995 01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:42,120 The visual impressiveness of abstract art from the 1950s 996 01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,600 and 1910s is carried on by abstract art now, 997 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,040 but often not with the old sense of abstract purity. 998 01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,280 Here's an abstract art that's full of glinting 999 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,600 reflections by the Ghanaian artist El Anatsui. 1000 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,960 Unlike artists who work on a flat canvas and create patterns, 1001 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,560 the visual complexity of which must be structured into the object, 1002 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:20,920 El Anatsui allows his work to behave like textiles and the shadow 1003 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,840 and light created by the drapery creates an additional 1004 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,640 focus for what you're looking at and is part of the thought 1005 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,160 process involved in the making. 1006 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,560 It's a lesson in setting up meaning. 1007 01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,960 Meaning of a simpler less philosophical kind that the 1008 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,680 early abstract artists went in for - he offers a jigsaw of meanings 1009 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,440 that are abstract but easily readable. 1010 01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:02,160 Its structure imitates a traditional Ghanaian fabric called Kente 1011 01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:07,040 cloth, woven for centuries by labour intensive processes so the 1012 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,320 visual effect is very rich. Kente cloth is a source of national pride. 1013 01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,840 If history is in the picture then the history of colonialism 1014 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,680 must be in there too with all its human wretchedness. 1015 01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:30,680 And the materials El Anatsui uses suggest waste and squalor. 1016 01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,520 A work of abstract art made of bottleneck wrappers. 1017 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,240 The bits of metal foil that go round the neck of a whiskey bottle 1018 01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,600 or a gin bottle. 1019 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,920 Rubbish, really, scavenged from the street. 1020 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,640 He makes it look like gold but it's old bits of foil. 1021 01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,960 It's rubbish that reads as gold. 1022 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,760 There's an ambiguity or double meaning. 1023 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:06,080 Baseness that can be transformed into gold, with gold 1024 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,840 as the good thing, but also baseness might be indistinguishable 1025 01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,880 from or interchangeable with gold. 1026 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,840 So gold's shimmer, its attractiveness, is untrustworthy. 1027 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:28,000 It always depends where you stand in relation to it as to 1028 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,120 whether or not gold DOES shimmer. 1029 01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:36,160 So maybe the impression of gold here is a metaphor for delusion? 1030 01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,080 The pioneer abstract artists 100 years ago thought 1031 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,120 abstract values were the path to truth. 1032 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:48,000 They took out any meanings to do with history, society, nationhood. 1033 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,400 Those are the meanings El Anatsui built in. 1034 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,920 He presents you with a powerful visual blast, 1035 01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,160 accompanied by questions about what power might mean. 1036 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,840 Today all art competes in market 1037 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,160 and purely abstract art is relatively rare. 1038 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,920 Abstract art that has clues about easily gettable meaning 1039 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:25,360 is preferred. 1040 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:29,000 29 million, 30 million, 31 million. 1041 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,240 Abstract art of the past gets huge prices today. 1042 01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,600 77 million and selling. 1043 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,920 That much for a Rothko. 1044 01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:41,440 Not because he's subtle about red and black, 1045 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:46,400 but because his high status name is synonymous with fabulous success. 1046 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,000 Money is never really the point. 1047 01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:59,080 Rothko's predecessor, Hilma Af Klint, said, 1048 01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,120 "W is material, U is spiritual." 1049 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,640 She really did believe what she was doing could alter the world. 1050 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,480 If there's a rule of early abstract art as a whole it is that it 1051 01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:14,320 was incredibly optimistic. 1052 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,240 So the rule of optimism passing on is the rule I'm now going to 1053 01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:22,440 sign off with, with a work by an artist who was born the same 1054 01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:25,880 year that Hilma Af Klint went up to the spirits in the sky. 1055 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:41,840 Here's a kind of abstract art that's unequivocally visually amazing 1056 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,560 but opened ended as to whom that amazement is for 1057 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,680 and where it's coming from. 1058 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,280 It's partly sinister because it's about wealth and we live in a 1059 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,960 time where wealth is sinister and it's partly optimistic because 1060 01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:03,360 wealth is referred to by rubbish, old bits of thrown away metal foil. 1061 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,800 So wealth's mystic is removed, its intimation is removed, 1062 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,000 we can see through it. 1063 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,360 But we're still getting the pleasure 1064 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:16,080 and with that pleasure, a sense of a different kind of wealth, 1065 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:21,360 the wealth of ideas as art processes contradictions.